When you say that Nostr can’t scale or that it can be censored, what you are really saying is that an army of developers won’t find a way to relay notes and other stuff.

I’ll take the other side of that bet.


Great post 👍


Liberation frequency 🎧


Lo bueno es que los NIPs son infinitos como Bitcoin


And that’s the secret weapon is that nostr is soo easy, the army can easily be anyone. Not just developers.


We already won


Absolutely correct. We have some of the most intelligent people in the world on the case that are motivated by the recognition of current real world problems and they a passion to resolve those issues. We will succeed because the alternative is just too dystopian to stomach.
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Nostr hasn't  been challenged yet. I am looking forward to it to prove everyone wrong.


It's mongoDB all over again


Sweet 🤙


r u flirting?    cuz it's working!  all the best Negr0


I value that 🫡


Nostr devs are too busy fragmenting the payment space instead of making good backend software and fighting CSAM

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Life is all about trade offs

Nostr for me really stared clicking recently

Loving learning about it. Answering “the why” is always so powerful


They believe in Nosc instead.

Notes and other stuff censored


I'm on the same side of the bet as you, nostr:nprofile1qqsdv8emcke7k3qqaldwv956tstu40ejg663gdsaayuuujs6pknw7jspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmqpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2uc86mqq0. I am discovering I can do things with #nostr that I can only dream of on other systems- all without asking for permission.


There is always the option of turning off the internet and sending the devs to jail


You're being zapped from a safebox that exists only on the #nostr network.


Yes


The day that happens, the world will be called Cuba


No modelo atual sempre haverá clientes e devs  em outros países. Portanto  a rede resistirá


The world is moving more and more towards centralization (in different ways), it will be risky


delfing


Armies of developer will perish trying to flip  bit


Onward 🫡


Great post 👍


Developing like their freedom depends on it


:blobyes:


Zap ‘em⚡


Developers that are not in jail for running nodes in authoritarian counties will for sure continue to rely notes and fight.


I don't really understand the point anyway. We already know this happens with the other side. The Nostr side at least gives one options if some censorship is tried somewhere (client, relay, etc).

So all I hear is:

I will lose doing X, and since I could temporarily lose a little doing Y, I'm going to stick with X and for sure lose.

????

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When you say that Nostr can’t scale or that it can be censored, what you are really saying is that an army of developers won’t find a way to relay notes and other stuff.

I’ll take the other side of that bet.


The correct analogy for Nostr and censorship resistance is torrents.
Government tried to kill them for years but can’t


Daghe 🫡


this is for Bitcoin but it might apply to your nostr key ?

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I’ll take the other side of that bet too


Let the Sats flow 🌊


A much bigger army was unable to make IPFS work.


a much bigger shitcoiner army focused on make ipfs work for them


I quite agree : web1 was perfectly fair and decentralized and open source !
We want to web2 because no one want to bother to manage a server at home !

Still not 👀

How many of nostr users want to manage a relay ?
That will lead to centralisation , undoubtedly 😎
Imo


with the pain thus need


Imagine a day with 100+ nostr clients and 100k+ relays fighting this war.

Dev 🤝 Relay op


Nostr is able to scale better than #bitcoin 👌
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This.


I am new to Nostr.  Why would someone WANT to censor?


Nostr can be censored by most people's definition of censorship, where it's made hard enough to work that people just don't use it.


Me too


we rule the world. periodt


is the argument that new clients will just be spun up by developers that are geographically distributed? I could definitely see you being pressured as a business owner to censor content or comply with overreaching regulations or be shutdown. Obviously I would disagree with those actions if they come and respect what you've done building primal so thanks.


I will say that I experience a lot of technical problems on nostr with no clear path to resolution, regardless of what client I use. I've tried almost all of them.

i can't imagine how frustrating it is for people less technical than me to use nostr with any consistency.

That being said, I still love it and think it shows strong promise, but there's a lot or problems to solve yet.


I think this is the key. Techy people can get around a LOT. Non-techy people are limited to what's made available in user-friendly format.

Case in point: several Bitcoin wallet providers are unavailable in the US due to "regulations." Are there other options? Sure. Are they practically accessible for newbies or non-developers? For the most part, no.

So in one sense, Bitcoin is unregulable, but in another sense it's HIGHLY controllable.

I think Nostr is a similar thing. Fundamentally, it might be accessible to everyone and resistant to censorship. But whether or not ordinary people can access and use it in censorship-free clients is an entirely separate question.

(For context, I'm mid-level tech-wise. I can write HTML from scratch and do some basic troubleshooting of simple script languages. Back in the day, I did some simple BASIC programming and have worked a little with Linux. But I'm not a developer or programmer and don't know any real, modern programming languages. I'm not even fluent with CSS. So not super-techy, but probably more knowledgeable than your average Joe.)


Meh, IPFS was doomed from the start with their p2p/dht approach. All we need to do is relay signed messages. And there are soo many ways to do that.


Onward 🫡


Same was said about Bitcoin, email, Internet, etc.


The issue is how resilient is the clients distros to this. Like what primal could do if was in the same situation of Twitter X


What’s up with primal today bro?


can you be more specific?


check DMs pls


Hasn’t been working for me all day
Like won’t load my feed or notifications…

I’m having to sent this reply on a different client rn bc primal won’t load anything


Thanks for the response also💜


Which app are you using (iOS/Android/Web)? Also, does restarting the app help?


I phone…..and also I restarted it ( powered off and back on)

But the other Nostr apps are working fine🤷


Something weird is going on

Trying to see if it’s on my end

Or if everyone is having issues…..

I love primal btw


Torrent doesn't need a shitcoin to work though.


Right!?! Developers are smart enough to scale centralized protocols but not decentralized ones? 🙄


new int'l order


we hack the planet


When you say that Nostr can’t scale or that it can be censored, what you are really saying is that an army of developers won’t find a way to relay notes and other stuff.

I’ll take the other side of that bet.


:elmofire:


Paging @parkerlewis


Same.


it would just ban everybody


Onward 🫡


I’ll take the other side of that bet

Where can I place or create a bet on nostr?


What I ended up doing was signing out of the app and logging back in with my nsec

Back to normal now💜💜


exactly


Great post 👍