There is no point in having a Nostr protocol if end-users are never aware of it in some way.


I never thought you'd say this.
Afterall not many people using it know about http or TCP/IP 🤷


X protocol is better!


end-users are already here, it's not only devs anymore.. things are popping up at every corner, this week alone has been crazy in terms of releases, so much going on that will attract so much more new users.. relax and enjoy the beauty we already have :)


if at least one end-user knows, thats enough...


set up a LNURL so that users can zap you ⚡


i agree with it.


In what way is X protocol better?


Sounds cooler.


I am surprised at this saying. Many people are using Nostr already. It is just a matter of time before Nostr would be an household name like X. So let's give this time.


Exactly 💯💯💯


Why is there no point? Where do you draw the line?


I disagree, it's about incentives created by the protocol. It's not about understanding.


X protocol
https://image.nostr.build/1a86b464b1112c0d2e73bc1876bc323a56b519421a205f2db86f397781a7bb67.jpg

Nostr protocol
https://image.nostr.build/944cc878e583cc595e7ff58dce2602099477ca3d7d75516e2de7b58b3b3304c4.jpg


The synergies created by a protocol like nostr should be a gigantic driver. I had criticized Damus early on for not mentioning once "nostr" on the website but in the end it doesn't matter. If Damus would change the client to only talk to one company relay, all its users would already have their accounts that would be free of such a limitation. They can get aware of this as late as actual problems arise and that keeps the clients in line. They can try out the limits, maybe a bit of ads and a bit of censorship but if they overdo it, users figure it out and switch at almost zero switching cost as opposed to switching from a platform.


Generally speaking, the users need to know Nostr from the user interface first then they can get to know its protocol; less confusing this way.


Pas les mêmes substances tout simplement, de plus le jargon très tech n'est non pas accessible à tous en plus de l'usage de portefeuilles dont la plupart comme moi sont incapables de configurer.. pour contribuer aux zaps.. Trop d'infos de clients qui se croisent tant qu'au  niveau utilisateurs et créateurs ou distributeurs de services... Il a un mixte de tout sur nostr par l'aspect faceb insta Meta, tinder, etc  qui fait partie des maux de notre société plus qu' exacerbé sur nostr car en *vase close* la notion de liberté, et devoir de discrétion par décence n'est non plus  la même qu'en public ou chez soi surtout sur  le plan comportemental.. Un côté qu'on peut détester très vite en absorbant certaines infos brutes de décoffrage, on note une tendance à ce réel besoin compensation qui ne peut être solutionné que dans des structures sociales  spécialisées avec une certaine Confidentialité. Nostr est un espace commun public  du coup le nostriche peut être susceptible de confondre sphère personnel et public qui peut dangereux chez ceux qui ne savent pas dissocier l'outil de réseau virtuel et l'identité...


What prevents damus removing option to export your private keys?


You mean so they understand the exact reason why things dont work that they otherwise would expect to work?


Isn't the best protocols in which the user doesn't know what's running underneath.


How would Damus users know how to switch or even that they can switch?


They don’t switch when they are not!


The pleb users need to understand their pubkey is portable. Do they even need to be aware of relays? I'm not really sure. Otherwise they probably don't need to know more details the that.

Non-pleb users with large followings will have a vested interest in understanding the protocol due to incentives though, there I agree with you.


Autrement Damus et Améthyst doivent impérativement et urgemment travailler ensemble sur la traduction
automatisee des notes.. Vous vous rendez compte certains utilisateurs demandent à ce qu'on leur traduise des nôtes alors qu'au niveau de Améthyst il n'y a pas de soucis. Qu'ils se mêlent moins des annonces publicitaires des clients c'est redondant de plus on a l'impression qu'ils font de la la Publicité déguisée pour certains clients.. Nous utilisateurs avons marre de la nuisance publicitaire en plus de leurs jargons techniques qui devraient passer par d'autres biais.. La gestion de clés et de portefeuilles suffisent largement pour l'utilisateur... Je suis du secteur médico-social je vous avoue même gérer configurer un compte qui nécessite des clés, un portefeuille à configurer et pouvoir zapper est compliqué en 1 an je fais toujours un  blocage d'ordre cognitif suis pas sur nostr pour des Sats .


Well, many of the current users will notice and many if not most will have their keys backed up and make noise if Damus did that.


What makes you think so? Do you have any state for that? I personally haven’t yet backed my key ls up from damus yet even though I consider myself an experienced and interested user


There is no point in having a Nostr protocol if end-users are never aware of it in some way.


This. Most people don't care about HTTPS. They care it securely connects them to the site they want to load. Nostr should become like this. The focus will be on the end user products.


most people just use the chrome or firefox or safair. they don't go around telling people that they're using hypertext transfer protocol.


you want me to actively encourage damus users to put their private keys in random apps that I can’t vouch for? Only to have their relay and contact notes erased? Do any other clients do this? Why is this about damus specifically?


Pffft maybe you don't


thems fighting words.
keep that Shitnostry out of Damus.
Weve got your digital back nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s


Lol there will be *many* different clients. Damus is just one small one in the grand scheme of things.

Deep linking into other clients is still an unexplored problem. You don’t need to think about the underlying protocol when you can seamlessly link to things in different clients. We just don’t have a good way to do any of this stuff.


Hey can you please send me a communication over simple mail transfer protocol? I'll retrieve it via my post office protocol.


Post office protocol is lit 🔥🔥! Lemme get my old school writing device so I can sign the message


im talking about SMTP and POP 😁


Oh, of course
How silly of me 🫠


No, sir, if you read above you will see that I am talking about the hypothesis put forward by nostr:npub1gm7tuvr9atc6u7q3gevjfeyfyvmrlul4y67k7u7hcxztz67ceexs078rf6 in which Damus becomes a closed platform.


If that is success for you then I don't know what you are doing here.


I will tell them


We will get there, it is just too good!
It's all a matter of value offering.
Nostr will become hard to ignore, then impossible to ignore.


Marketing is a swing, and a miss for nostr atm. Hopefully that will change at some point. There has to be a focus on what an end user demands. A quick example of how my business dealt with market demands. My industry is riddled with poor customer service. We read all the bad reviews for companies in our area, and %90 of them were poor customer service. Bad reviews aren’t just people gripping about a company. It’s potential clients telling an industry what they want from an industry. Address that, and you’re king in your industry. You offered something that people want. Does Nostr provide something people want?  How much market research has been done to find out what most potential end users want?  I wouldn’t expect much, or enough has been done tbh. I wouldn’t expect most would care much about privacy, bitcoin, censorship free, or a whole lot of what Nostr provides. That’s not to say those aren’t important. It is to say that if Nostr wants success to a point that it competes then keep all that is good already with Nostr, but more focus should be placed on what  end user demands are. So outside of the Nostr bubble what are people talking about with social media?  What are there complaints, what do they like. What would they improve?  The largest number of those people probably don’t care about what Nostr is currently offering. Nostr needs to know what those people care about, and do that where it doesn’t interfere with its foundational principles.
You can’t just say it’s superior so everyone will use it. Thats not how things work. I’m a pretty bad ass classical guitarist, but none of you knew that, and a lot of you might not believe me, because I didn’t market myself as such, and who likes classical guitar anyways. Some do for sure, but I’m not grabbing millions of views with it. I might do better to transpose some classical guitar songs over to an instrument that would be more appealing if I were to want a bigger audience, or I might do, and really I am doing in a since what nostr is doing. Just Jamin in my backyard hoping the neighbors will hear me, and call Carnegie Hall to tell them they really need me.


Just for the sake of it: Why should they?
Depending on the targeted demographic, it might actually be easier to abstract things away. Do people care what HTTPS is while using Tiktok? Probably not - they care that their likes are received, comments processed and videos fed to them.


end user is king. not you fiatjaf.


💯 every nostr user absolutely should be aware of the fact they can login to ANY #nostr app using the same secret code.
nostr:nevent1qqs8pd7nj6ptugfkk7vuytqlzmdcmds5h5xtxjlg0vf07m2axcfzaecpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqzyqalp33lewf5vdq847t6te0wvnags0gs0mu72kz8938tn24wlfze6qcyqqqqqqglr8xq9