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 Financial privacy isn’t always about the government or corporations. Sometimes it’s simply about peers. Here’s an anecdote.

In Egypt, people born into lower socioeconomic statuses often don’t have a lot of flexibility for their life path. It’s often largely set by family and tradition, especially for women. And so, it’s kind of the luck of the draw how constructive their family is.

In certain social circles, a girl is generally considered the responsibility of her father. If she dates, has sex, doesn’t wear hijab, etc, then it is considered to reflect badly on him.

Once she marries, responsibility over her is transferred to her husband. He will usually control the main income, he will often control the family finances even if she does have an income, and he will often control most major decisions. And divorce is structured in favor of men here. Initiating a divorce as a woman comes with more limitations and consequences.

Many fathers push their daughters to marry pretty early so that they can relieve themselves of responsibility for her, even if she’s not thrilled about the prospective husband. She can be pressured socially, economically, and sometimes even physically. And at that socioeconomic level, she likely isn’t fluent in other languages, likely has not been exposed to outside ideas very much, is likely surrounded by people who would take her father’s side against her, and so the direction and pressure from her family is mainly how she contextualizes her role in the world. 

So in many cases, someone goes from a girl with little power to a wife with little power at a young age, and with limited economic, social, or legal recourse if it ends up not being a good path. A decent percentage of fathers and husbands are abusive, unfortunately. In theory there are safeguards against this, but in practice it’s easy to fall through the cracks.

I know a family that owns an apartment building in Cairo, and they employ a husband and wife as live-in assistants to oversee the property and their family, like a casual butler and maid basically. He cleans, runs errands, and provides security, while she cleans and cooks. The husband and wife come from a low socioeconomic background, and have both been working for the family for 15 years, and are heavily trusted. They make like $4k/year USD equivalent combined, plus receive free basic shelter and a used car.

The husband and wife do not have bank accounts, so they just save in physical Egyptian cash that quickly devalues. Inflation in Egypt hurts people like them the most. With their extended family, they also own a unit for themselves in an apartment building in a poor neighborhood. It’s an unfinished raw brick building that they don’t live in. Their extended family all contribute to the shared building structure and underlying small land lot, and they own their unit within the structure and can choose to invest in finishing it with electricity and plumbing and flooring and furniture to live in, or just leave it as an empty brick hull. Many remain unfinished like that indefinitely throughout Cairo; it’s basically treated as illiquid savings and optionality.

Anyway, one day when the wife was getting a raise from the family that employs her, she asked that her raise be kept private from her husband. She wanted to have autonomy over that portion; their combined income is otherwise mainly under his control. Her husband is by all accounts a nice guy, but that is the common way of doing things in their socioeconomic circle. A private raise would let her keep a tiny bit of pocket cash in her own control. One of the things she wanted to do with some of her own money was send a tiny bit each month to a family member that needed help. So the family agreed to keep her raise private.

As her pocket cash eventually grew a bit, the next challenge arose: how to keep it safe and secret while living in a 250 square foot living area with her husband and daughter. She went back to her employer and asked if she could keep her private savings with them as an informal bank. They agreed to do that for her as well.

As is the case for many people like her, even though she doesn’t have a bank account, she does have a smartphone. Over time, certain types of mobile wallets and their widespread adoption could improve her ability to save privately and in less debase-able ways, and that don’t rely on the particular helpfulness of her employer. And if not her, then maybe her daughter one day.

A shoutout to all the devs working on such wallets and their ease of use; there are certainly plenty of people in the world who could benefit from them! 
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Lynn loves nostr. 
 That's one example why #Bitcoin in the long run will win! 

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 I’m from the Middle East so I understand our culture but I wouldn’t really say fathers try to marry off their daughter early so that they relieve their responsibility for her. A bit of an exaggeration. 
 Happened to a number of people I know. And there are groups in Egypt that try to draw attention to the issue and advocate for more rights and protections.

Each country and subculture within that country will have a different proportion of that type of thing. Egypt is very large and has very low GDP per capita. 
 Similar culture in Pakistan — ie, the social and financial responsibility that the male head of family carries incentivizes him to marry his daughters off as soon as possible/good opportunity presents. If he’s low income, it takes financial weight off his shoulders, and if he’s doing well financially, he knows that may not last forever, so he locks in the best family he’s able to fetch for his daughter.

My grandfather arranged my mother’s marriage when she was15 (she married at 16) and my aunt’s when she was 13 (married at14). He was a successful businessman (flour mills) and didn’t have a financial issue supporting them, but he capitalized on his respect in the community to marry his daughters into the professional class. 
 Ya it's good to marry young grow the Uma  
 The Uma 😂 
 Ummah ya mate I aint some bloody AI I make spelling mistakes bruv. 
 I wasn’t laughing at that I just thought it’s funny u used that word 
 Ya we all brothers and sisters biologically and metaphorically  
 Thanks for the share Mohammed. Appreciate your real life perspective. 
 amazing story. nothing is stopping a person from saving in the beat saving money/tech, only education and courage.  
 The conservative trend of the past decade has set the world back 50 years. 
 Interesting, thanks Lynn 
 Yo bro you don't even drink bepsi 
 I agree with everything you say except your conclusion- if they can't verify the trustworthiness of their own husband how are they ever going to be in a position to know enough to be able to trust an app developer? 
 It’s not about trust in that context. He controls their money. She wants to do some things with money she earns, and he says no.

So she does it anyway since some of it is her money.

The better comparison is trusting an app developer vs her employer. She’s lucky enough to have a very trustworthy employer; many are not. 
 t-y Lyn, appreciate your takes 
 I dunno, I think you're making too many assumptions. Do you know she is capable of managing money better than her husband? Maybe he really is protecting her. If their collective income improved a lot, how do you know the husband wouldn't spoil her? I mean, after 13 years, I'm pretty sure they have some kind of understanding that goes beyond male domination = bad.

If you know he is controlling and abusive then fine, but this generalisation is not the best of arguments. It's really no better than a politician pushing for laws "to protect ud" for all the same reasons.

Care to imagine what would happen when the husband finds money on her phone?

I understand your POV is from a good place but just too many assumptions about cultural differences, wanting a round peg to fit into a square hole.
 
 interesting. can't her husband read this post? 
 but if she does not have bank account how she would buy bitcoin. and I think she doesn't have much opportunity to buy goods with bitcoin, and I don't think she in position to hodl long term. or you talking about future use cases? 
 She could buy bitcoin in person with cash.

But she’s not at that stage yet. That’s rare in Egypt. She’s not even buying dollars that her employer would happily sell her if she wanted; she’s just getting rapidly debased all over the place. Lots of Egyptians hodl dollars as savings even though they generally convert them back to local currency to spend them.

I’m talking years and decades from now. 
 For me most part I agree with your take. However, having lived for some years in Algeria (which I believe has quite a lot of resemblances to Egypt), I don't fully agree that a girl "likely has not been exposed to outside ideas very much". Even in very inland cities most of the girls are exposed to the "western way of life and thinking" whether directly or indirectly through Lebanese TV, music, movies.

Eventually, the social pressure, surpasses all the wishes and desires or these girls to whom a life studies delay their inevitable fate.

I remember one day being invited for lunch by a supplier and he was very excited because he was getting married and wanted to invite me. I then asked what was his bride doing for a living and he answered that she was finishing her PHD just in time for the wedding. I was quite surprised and happy that he would be marrying such a distinctly educated woman and asked if she was going to pursue an academic career to which he coldly answered: "No way, the condition for me to marry her was that she would quit any career endeavor and stay at home having and raising our kids!"

Of course, I politely refused to be present in his wedding! 
 why would you be surprised that the bride had graduated with a PHD 🙂🙂. I find it weird that you would say that. for example in my country Tunisia, 66% of university students are girls. 
 This was 15 years ago! These days on almost every country in the world the percentage of women graduates is higher than men 
 Have seen it so many times in Egypt. Even with European women, after they've married an Egyptian. After they got their first baby, the husband gets all power, because she cannot leave the country with her kid, if he doesn't allow it. So he can blackmail her and very often he does. But why does it happen? It's the same reason, you described. After the men is married, the (male) society expects that his (European) wife is acting like an Egyptian women. Wearing traditional clothes, doesn't talk to other men and so on. So the society pressure on him is so strong and if he's too weak to resist, he starts acting like this not loosing his face against his friends and family. Very sad and painful. 
 Lyn this story is simply why Bitcoin has to win. As a decentralized and secure network protocol it has so much potential to provide knowledge and power to the commoner that it simply will overwrite every other protocol base layer technology currently in existence.

Thank you for sharing 
 Thanks for the insight Lyn 🙂
I have been working many places around the world and was sad to see so many people who had nothing, but full af hope to what BTC can do 🙏 
 I’m familiar with the story. Mostly in Türkiye 🇹🇷 79% of population living in similar social conditions. 
 Thanks Lyn. Counting my blessings after seeing this. People can only save themselves with knowledge and courage. Hope there are some bitcoin evangelists in Egypt 🇪🇬 
 Strong post sharing many truths in a non-judgmental way. Here Here to the devs. Your works have deep value 
 Sometime ago I worked for a company that paid its employees with USDT.

After leaving the company, I was talking to one of the employees that handled the payments and he was bragging that he knew how other employees (including me) used their salary. He knew how much I was sending to Binance, to FixedFloat, how Much I have in savings etc.

This freaked me out and made me realize that financial privacy is much more than we usually think it is. 
 surely once you sent it to a bincance wallet he wouldn't have been able to follow the flow after that ? 
 yeah, but still. I don't want my employer to know where I'm sending my money to. Even the first hop 
 it does feel like a privacy violation for sure  
 privacy is fundamental.  
 "Fix the money, fix the world."

Satoshi and the devs fix the money, but it won't be the West who fixes the world. It will be ALL of us.

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 Love the technology and everything, but a bit surprised Lyn would be advocating she lie to her husband! 
 She reached for and attained a small degree of financial sovereignty in a socioeconomic class that quite significantly suppresses that kind of thing.

There are many true stories of men in that society using the power they have over women against them. In this case, it’s a woman proactively defending herself from the broader social norm, not through confrontational means, but by establishing a small stash of her own money that she earned, free from external judgment or pressure. 
 That’s pretty common in overtly male-denominated cultures.

Women tend to network with each other and take more subtle and private actions, building a form of soft power as a means of defense and balance. 
 like what bitcoiners do against the state (money) 
 These real world stories are what it’s all about. Sometimes people don’t think outside the western world and struggle to see a use case. 
 is it the situation that they would not be able to.get a bank account or that it would be very difficult and their peers don't so they choose not to?  
 Much of the Egyptian economy is “informal” at that economic level, and so they don’t have the papers to get a bank account. Banking access is still pretty low in Egypt at that socioeconomic level, although they are working on improving it.

They have some options to get an account if they really want one, like the employer can help with that, but thus far it hasn’t been enough liquid savings to truly justify it. Practically speaking, I think she should ask the employer to at least hold her savings in dollars, since he does have access to them and that’s normal at the middle class level, but she hasn’t done so. 
 in bulgaria i knew many people who didn't have government ID or bank accounts, only dealt in cash, it's quite common... banking used to be easy there 12 years ago but now it's utter garbage 
 in some or many ways someone in this position really doesn't need a bank account. as you described they are seeking financial autonomy, not a credit line or safe storage. 

I met a handyman type person in the US once who didn't have a bank account. He just dealt in cash and paid in full for cash. he had some line like. "why so they can charge me fees and try to get me in debt?"  

That is also my general outlook on how banks behave. but for those who may fall easy prey to debt it may be despite certain disadvantages to not having a bank account better


 
 Rather provocative example to use but get the point. The west is a degenerate mess of divorce and falling birth rates, hardly a strong footing to pass judgment on other cultures. Nobody in marriage should be hiding money from each other for starters. Controlling man bad is a rather tiring trope we hear all the time when responsible man taking care of his wife can be we equally true. The extremes of an argument do not inform the mean and I think we'd benefit from having a better balance of tradition and liberalism in modern marriages.

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 The financial independence of individuals is a fundamental step towards being truly free.
Bitcoin allows this, but to really make a difference especially for those economically disadvantaged places, the stability of value is equally important. The stable channel could be an important solution, I ask all developers to do their best to speed up the beta process and make it widespread all over the world.
 
 A free society requires privacy. 
 Privacy is here what we need is more people knowing how to use 
 Agreed.  
 Great post. Thank you 
 Sucks to be a Muslim woman in Egypt 
 Great story, thank you for sharing it 
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 Real life use case of freedom tech! Thanks for sharing. 
 What is the state of financial education in Egypt to protect citizens from the constant devaluations?  I travel to Egypt every 5 or so years and have started to form some relationships (mostly local guides/tourism inddustry). If there are any opportunities to help - I would be interested.   
 Privacy = security and I think most bitcoiners accept that. But this is an amazing example of why privacy can enhance equality. Thanks for sharing! 
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 Very interesting and well explained. 
 Thanks @bd19ef94 for this long and insightful piece! This gives me a almost lost perspective on ordinary people’s life elsewhere. Living in a European country relying too much on msm completely hides these stories of true life. Keep on telling.