V4V isn’t working out at all the way I hoped 🫠

3 months in I’ve made $200 ish dollars / 400k sats zaps.

I thought making nostr specific content would help but that performed poorly from a financial perspective.

One off payments from people DM’ing me have been a God Send.

To those people and - you know who you are - thank you. It truly means the world to me 🤩

I’m sticking with this but I’m also doubling down on sponsorship opportunities. I hope you can understand.

If you can’t… well, Man’s gotta eat, pay rent and crucially, pay animators and editors.

And they ain’t cheap.

Love 🧡


Keep going Joe, it's still so early. You're great content will also be making sats going forward as more people find your stuff 🙌


Hey Joe. Nostr based tiers and subscriptions are launching in a tool next week or so that may be of interest to you. It's essentially Patreon, but built on Nostr. I'll ping you when it launches.


Do you interact and talk, comment with your followers ? It's essential on nostr and also shitposting and meme time to time give me some sats. The most unlikely contents will be the most popular here


🤔👀🤷🏻♂ https://image.nostr.build/377b29df4add55d1964fe857b1a0489df074ee33306ca7611da9bed94f2684e6.jpg


We're still early, give it time.


DM and ill send out some free swag 🫂💜


Not enough users to support content creators.


400 k sats will be worth a lot when btc hits a million .. just wait :-)   and #Sattack


What are you making?


Thanks for posting about this. Most people don't talk about it, but your experience is typical.

I hope it will change, but there's not much incentive to pay a significant amount for what's free. Same thing with community funded radio, open source software, services like wikipedia, archive.org... the list goes on.

Anyway, you have +1 follower now and I have you a little zap


what are you providing?


I’ve been here for over a year and I don’t know who you are, or what you do?

Maybe you’re doing it wrong?

Or maybe I am?

🤷♂


Liked it!

Liked it!


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


From: nostr:npub1vxpwwydpmmc4usmxf2zkr8shdjq888g532ydyls3nadxxd9wyx5ssjq5nd


I’d also like to know about this Patreon on Nostr, please.


Let's go 🚀

Let's go 🚀


V4V works exactly as planned, it's just that your content is not that valuable.

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Imo content creation is a hard endeavor, space is overcrowded and price to view goes to almost zero. I would zap a lot more for orange pilling merchants here in the area with video though.


We’d love to have you try Creatr! It’s a patreon-style relay where you can lock content behind subscription tiers and users can unlock and access it directly through our relay or website.

I sent you a DM with some more info.


Checkout https://creatr.nostr.wine and this demo video from several months back: https://v.nostr.build/WQza.mp4


Bitcoiners need to understand that as of right now anyway V4V is not an income stream it is something "fun" and you better find other ways to monetize.

I spent the first year I was on V4V podcasting dominating the Fountain.fm charts.  A year always in the top ten.  Most of the time top three shows.  Whopped Adam Curry and Odell many times and was number one or two any given week.  Again a year I played that game.  I even made my BTC episodes into a "Breakout" and that second use content stayed in the top 50 all year too.

That year The Survival Podcast was like number 6 over all the entire year, likely due to some bigger names having a few monster boosts here and there.  I had the most individual boosts, most individual streams and most individual supporters of all V4V podcasts for the entire year.

Oh that year, I was only in the game for 9 months of it.  All in I made about 10 million sats.

At the time BTC was in the teens and 20s.  But even with today's price, that is about 5 grand.

Now look I am grateful for those sats.  But 5K a year is not an income that will pay even your basic bills is it?  It would not even cover my hosting, which is about 8400 a year.

And again this was as one of the top podcasts in the V4V world for about a year.  If I were using the income as it came to live on it would have been more like 2 grand to live on for a year.   Again hosting for a show the size of mine is over 8 grand a year alone.

V4V is great, but it won't pay your bills yet.  Save in BTC. but earn in EVERYTHING YOU CAN especially as a content creator or you are going to be POOR.  Very very poor.

Conversely if you are good at content and at monetizing you can absolutely make a multi six figure income as a creator in today's world and dare I say in almost any niche.


Bitcoiners need to understand that as of right now anyway V4V is not an income stream it is something "fun" and you better find other ways to monetize.

I spent the first year I was on V4V podcasting dominating the Fountain.fm charts.  A year always in the top ten.  Most of the time top three shows.  Whopped Adam Curry and Odell many times and was number one or two any given week.  Again a year I played that game.  I even made my BTC episodes into a "Breakout" and that second use content stayed in the top 50 all year too.

That year The Survival Podcast was like number 6 over all the entire year, likely due to some bigger names having a few monster boosts here and there.  I had the most individual boosts, most individual streams and most individual supporters of all V4V podcasts for the entire year.

Oh that year, I was only in the game for 9 months of it.  All in I made about 10 million sats.

At the time BTC was in the teens and 20s.  But even with today's price, that is about 5 grand.

Now look I am grateful for those sats.  But 5K a year is not an income that will pay even your basic bills is it?  It would not even cover my hosting, which is about 8400 a year.

And again this was as one of the top podcasts in the V4V world for about a year.  If I were using the income as it came to live on it would have been more like 2 grand to live on for a year.   Again hosting for a show the size of mine is over 8 grand a year alone.

V4V is great, but it won't pay your bills yet.  Save in BTC. but earn in EVERYTHING YOU CAN especially as a content creator or you are going to be POOR.  Very very poor.

Conversely if you are good at content and at monetizing you can absolutely make a multi six figure income as a creator in today's world and dare I say in almost any niche.

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Why are you working for dollars


Right there with you brotha. Rough times right now...🙃


Yeah this makes sense. The ecosystem just doesn't feel broad enough yet, and the core still feels like it's being built. Besides, let's be honest: Even if we are 20 years into the future and V4V is proven, content creators will still likely engage with any number of different monetization strategies simultaneously because, why not?


lol of course lol. I make content about bitcoin around the world - that’s my value. I’m not much of a memer


with V4V I get about 100 zaps per month😫😂


No SINGLE source of creator revenue will sustain you, not sponsorships, not ad rev, not v4v, not Patreon, not merch.

It is about a diversified portfolio of rev streams.

You made 400k sats in 3 months!

On YouTube, you would need to pull about 100,000-200,000 monetized views (views that had to force your audience through a 5-15sec pre-roll ad) to make the same amount.

My bet is you only made a fraction of those views on NOSTR, and all those earnings were voluntary!

Stick around 🤙


HOW DARE U


That was my initial reaction as well. 400K sats in three months is crazy! We have 1/1000000 users compared to other platforms.


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


V4V isn’t working out at all the way I hoped 🫠

3 months in I’ve made $200 ish dollars / 400k sats zaps.

I thought making nostr specific content would help but that performed poorly from a financial perspective.

One off payments from people DM’ing me have been a God Send.

To those people and - you know who you are - thank you. It truly means the world to me 🤩

I’m sticking with this but I’m also doubling down on sponsorship opportunities. I hope you can understand.

If you can’t… well, Man’s gotta eat, pay rent and crucially, pay animators and editors.

And they ain’t cheap.

Love 🧡


We are early


:peepoHey:


It’s all a matter of time preference. You simply can’t expect that sats earned today will fund your work. Save them for the future and do whatever it takes to keep going in the present.


Having no algorithm is maybe fine for some reason, but on the other hand I don't see any of your nostr stuff in my feed. Ideally we should have a way to indicate which nostrish we want to see in priority among those we follow in order to build our own personal custom algorithm


We're still early.
So please keep on pushing (how ever you can) because you are designing  the future of content creation and laying the path for many to come!
Not only that, your having a undeniable impact to the people you meet on your jouneys.
And anyway, all the Sats we send you, you are giving away for people at service or in need.
Your a non profit NGO!
I'm absolutely sure that this will totally take off!
Joe to the Moon!


It is in all of our interests
to zap nostr:npub1lr2zzf989mvf393y0tv39ara6a4vddkd6y87z784up9vl6ks6j3qtudl6a more Sats ⚡
He is a professional orange piller having an undeniable impact to the people he meets on his jouneys.
And, all the Sats we send him, he is giving away for people at service or in need anyway. So it's not only charity it's a form of distributing sovereignty thoughout the world!
Power through knowledge.

Joe Nakamoto to the Moon!

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