📣Official statement: the new EU chat controls proposal for mass scanning is the same old surveillance with new branding.

Whether you call it a backdoor, a front door, or “upload moderation” it undermines encryption & creates significant vulnerabilities

https://signal.org/blog/pdfs/upload-moderation.pdf

https://s3.eu-central-2.wasabisys.com/mastodonworld/media_attachments/files/112/633/659/313/566/843/original/0269937372fbc99f.png


I would get off signal now


Why? Signal is fighting against this E2EE encroachment.


communism 2.0


this happens in the middle of Euro2024 right?


Why? Signal is in fact protesting against such regulations or policies that will undermine encryption and privacy.


Please do not bow to this disgraceful & unlawful tyranny  💪


How does this affect signal users ?


Terrible to see Govts and institutions putting resources and money and minds into breaking privacy of citizens instead of focusing on real crimes, terrorism and other threats that are right in front of their eyes.

To these people, I say - There are always going to be bad actors - so evolve your methodologies to catch them in the act and punish them instead of undermining everyone’s privacy in the hope that you will somehow “prevent” something even before it happens.


EU supporters all claim to  "believe in europe" like you believe in a religion. The EUSSR is all about concentrating power in a few unelected hands and furthering their control over all aspects of our lives. #Frexit #Spanexit #Italexit

https://m.primal.net/HdZx.jpg


Fuck, what now, signal is low signal now?

nostr:nevent1qqsxyzyj5m94336nkzdapq4xrv3md46wcg26y8qqhekda2qzwydg4hspz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsyg9yydlyyrxmpverr5t3l6rehjhr0gkm02lj7y4rx7uh2vmkrrp6cgpsgqqqqqqsa7jaft


they are obviously warning everyone to get off their platform


They are warning everyone that encryption will die on every platform if this is passed as a law. That means that any communication done via any platform should be un-encrypted by default or looks like someone (mostly the dev) should take accountability for un-encrypting it when any govt institution requires it, else it will not be usable in EU.

This is how I am reading her statement. I think we should support Signal in their fight against such insidious policies, because this will come to impact Nostr at some point.


Communism - the smelly, broke cousin of fascism.


Give them euro 24 take away some freedoms and they will love you for it

https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/senator-gracchus-in-gladiator.jpg


:angryhomer:


I would get off Europe now


nostr:npub15s3hussvmv9nyvw3w8lg0x72udazmdat7tcj5vmmjafnwcvv8tpqzz6r6y I want to zap your post(s) but you don't have your wallet set up! Let us reward your important work with some sats ⚡.


that's why you get off "platforms" and use open source only


That's because the post is bridged from Mastodon 🫠


Just like with the online safety bill, Signal will (legally speaking) leave the EU. Should EU countries try to block Signal they'll do what they can to let us still use signal, see #iRanASignalProxy for example


It has been happening for a long time, but the "expert group" that proposes this law is trying to push it through now, right during Euro2024 :/


Signal is Open-Source...?

I think you wanted to say something federated 🤷


how are they going to add a back door then


Well that's what the EU wants to happen, Signal won't do it :P


Nor sessions


Session still suffes from inferior cryptography ever since they've switched away from double ratchet.


The app is different from the oxen crypto.It's works a lot like nostr with nsec/npub keys


if suffers from the fact that libsodium (their encryption library) is inherently weaker than something that implemebts the Double Ratchet encryption algorithm. The most notable deficiency is that it doesn't to Perfect Forward Secrecy, meaning if *one* of a chat's keys leak, your entire chat history leaks, not just one message.

These are important things that they've failed to address.


Libsodium? Its a swarm system. Everything is hidden, metadata and identity n you can put a delete message timer within a time frame.


yes, libsodium, the encryption library they use.

https://getsession.org/faq#libsodium


Thanks will ask a friend to look into


We're living in the "brave world" dude! TV shows kinda a good example


Signal is FOSs? If so they have no legs


Signal is licensed under the AGPLv3 and as such, Free and Open Source.


Its code, same like law


you can't exactly make maths illegal anyways 🤷


Revolution time


What is yall’s opinion of SimpleX ?


If a public key can be found using a private key, is there a possibility that institutions with the best mathematicians cannot reverse engineer it and apply that as an algorithm depending on the type of encryption?


I use it and I like it.

Uses double-ratchet from Signal + some neat quantum resistance stuff, uses user-selected relays to send messages and doesn't use persistent user identifiers. Lots of metadata privacy to be had :)


I'm in for a fight against this - as programmer and hacker 😎


But also, it gets you off iOS, Android, Windows. We need a Linux smartphone...


True


📣Official statement: the new EU chat controls proposal for mass scanning is the same old surveillance with new branding.

Whether you call it a backdoor, a front door, or “upload moderation” it undermines encryption & creates significant vulnerabilities

https://signal.org/blog/pdfs/upload-moderation.pdf

https://s3.eu-central-2.wasabisys.com/mastodonworld/media_attachments/files/112/633/659/313/566/843/original/0269937372fbc99f.png


Is it good for day-to-day use like to talk to my family, for example?


I would say yes, just make sure you select the kind of notifications you want


generally yeah, unless you're looking for some more fun social features (stickers for instance)


"Communism - the smelly, broke cousin of fascism."

Kind of, but not the way you think;

https://shows.acast.com/pastpresentfuture/episodes/66d99b6cd4991eb8a6d39ac6

Also, hilariously irrelevant to the topic. The problem here - just like with "age verification" laws in the US - is quite clearly conservative pearl-clutching ("think of the children"). Weaponised by corporate DataFarmers, for whom robust privacy protection is bad for business. lt has fuck all to do with Communism, by any definition.


"Signal is licensed under the AGPLv3 and as such, Free and Open Source."

Correct. Unfortunately it's also rigidly centralised. So state-level actors only need to block one set of servers and it's unusable (eg Signal is very hard to use in China due to the Great Firewall). Matrix is a better bet, both E2EE and Free and Open Source software, *and* a decentralised protocol anyone can implement.