I don’t understand how the crypto community trusts Telegram which is closed source, has substandard encryption, and actively cooperates with police. Signal isn’t perfect but it’s a hell of a lot better than Telegram. Transparent open funding from the US government and California tech money donations is a hell of a lot better than sketchy Russian and Middle Eastern funders.

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I think most people don’t trust it. They just use it cause it’s convenient.


I hate it.


People knew it as the alternative to WhatsApp and got millions of users. Many don’t know where it’s from or what’s behind it.


I thought the founder funded it himself ?


I don't understand it either.

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It works great. Has sketchy Russian vibes to it but the founder seems legit on paper


Winning the convenience battle is key.


My circle of BTC friends all use Signal. Telegram has never even been mentioned.


https://simplex.chat > Signal > Telegram > WhatsApp

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Its crazy, I've never felt a need to have Telegram until getting involved with Nostr. Im surprised its as popular here as it is.


I don't think either should be trusted. The initial funding for signal was from the US intelligence agencies, not just "the US government". I don't trust the FBI/CIA to fund a messaging app that doesn't allow them some backdoor to spy on messages. Tucker Carlson also claimed the government found out about his plans to interview Putin because they could read his signal messages (I have no idea if these claims have merit, but it's concerning).


I have. https://image.nostr.build/68f793f7bae1a2d61d80d6d197a7e521c25515f7220826fee9b3232651cfd1a7.jpg


I bet. https://image.nostr.build/8846ea45b07511a508f229ff484d751c55049c2970e314e1ccfb534e82c5f35a.jpg


He eventually brought in outside capital.


If they had some other way into his phone they wouldn't need to break signal at all (not that it rules it out either ofc).

0-days for the latest android/ios devices are well within the reach of three letter agencies


To put Signal above Telegram is a joke. It's like comparing apples and pears. If you want secure private messaging use SimpleX.


Why don't you trust us?


me either. i've been using signal for my personal communication for nearly a decade. i didn't start using telegram until i started joining bitcoin related groups.


Who trusts Telegram?


Lots of crypto and nostr folks.


"Transparent open funding from the US government and California tech money donations is a hell of a lot better than sketchy Russian and Middle Eastern funders."

I'm surprised you think this, in this day and age.


Did you have to onboard your friends/family or did they already use it?


I don't trust it, but it has a very fast native desktop app. Also I ended up storing a bunch of stuff on their generous free storage saved messages. When I started using it many years ago I didn't know it was so bad, and apparently it's getting worse everyday, so I'm trying to move out.

Signal depends on your phone being connected and then it doesn't even have a desktop app? The last time I tried to use it the experience was horrible. I don't like to depend on having a connected phone at all times.

And I've used Matrix for a while, but it was too slow, maybe I should try again, but I didn't have any encryption last I checked.

I don't like encryption. I think it would be much better for people to just use servers they trust, either run by themselves or by their friends or by trustworthy non-corporations, and these servers don't leak your messages to others. But I guess a little bit of encryption doesn't hurt.

Hopefully someone will make a nice fast lean native standalone NIP-17 chat client and it will solve everything. And the same but with NIP-29 for group chats.


Simplex?


Agree. But the community seems unwilling to budge. Ugh.

Simplex?


It’s pretty obvious they have direct ties to the FSB. Kinda wild imo.


"Transparent open funding from the US government and California tech money donations is a hell of a lot better than sketchy Russian and Middle Eastern funders." So basically Signal is openly a government property like wechat, in that case I don't think I would trust Signal even with general conversation.


If only


The signal desktop app has come a long way, quite usable now


And I don’t understand why people have to “trust” any messenger when you can just use it anonymously when you need privacy and use command line encryption when you need security. A long passphrase can be used as a shared key.


No proof that it helps the government


I dont like Telegram or Signal that much, however its good to have a diversified software ideology, Signal being western aligned, Telegram being eastern even if the founder had to flee russia. I dont mind simple-x, but no one outside of tech nerds use it.


I don’t understand how the crypto community trusts Telegram which is closed source, has substandard encryption, and actively cooperates with police. Signal isn’t perfect but it’s a hell of a lot better than Telegram. Transparent open funding from the US government and California tech money donations is a hell of a lot better than sketchy Russian and Middle Eastern funders.

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The barrier to creating bots on telegram is the lowest I've seen. I don't think most people trust telegram for secure communication.


With Telegram it is really obvious that it has back doors. it's already crying out for it.


Your "So basically..." doesn't seem to be summarizing the quoted point at all.


Lack of understanding implies incompetence and ignorance.

🤷♂


I can’t believe that they have tutorials for dummies


I was with you until the last part.

No, foreigners are infinitely more trustworthy 🤣
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The ideal one would be Session, the drawbacks of Session are the poor Desktop app and the lack of High Quality Voice calls.


Onward 🫡


I have made my family use Google Talk, Hangouts, Allo, and then Signal 🥹


We have scrum chores board


Turns out, people are fucking stupid. No please tell me more about telegrums


I don’t have Telegram, but in previously being network effected into using it for international texting… I later learned that each time I got a notification that a mutual contact signed up for Telegram that they were about to get crypto scammed. It was always like “damn, pour one out first Bob/Alice.”


Signal is compromised. Move on to Simplex


Wait, you trust electronics 🤣.


Do you know which FOSS relays support NIP-29?