So today I learned from hacker news:

Normies think bitcoin is a scam.
Normies expect other people to curate their feed.
Normies want a central operator to complain to.

I'm glad normies don't join nostr. I think we should not be catering to normies. Normies can go get stuffed.


Normies are going to be fed some ETF spoons and be happy while owning nothing.


:yes:


Even assuming this is all true, what does Nostr have to do with it. Nostr has never been about crypto, blockchain or NFT. It's just JSON in WebSocket. Or is it also bad for some reason?


I guess the ETF will be better for the ones sending their $10 DCA and receiving $3 lol


yes, they can get stuffed

aww, i didn't know you hailed from those parts

i hope you aren't still stuck on the prison island

i also dgaf how many people get on here, there's already too many dickheads as it is, i'll need an AI to help me prescreen them! WoT helps a lot tho


So true..


^^^ this.

Why the ever living fuck is anyone trying to attract the same people who keep pushing for every other social media to become draconian?


All of this is so true from my own experiences trying to help people understand BTC. Hasn’t changed in 10 years.


I think it's a question worth asking: do we want to onboard every midwit NPC from X onto nostr? Is that somehow a win just to have more warm bodies on the protocol?

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Both you guys are on fire today 💣🔥


Exactly


could not agree more


Global adoption is a scam


Armchair "conjecture" of what normies want from people who are on nostr and especially HN are mostly bullshit anyway.

If you asked these same guys about the anything new would be equally absurd.

"Normies don't want X, they just want to do all the other shit they do that they are either fine with or were dragged kicking and screaming to have to figure out like they always have".

All noise.


Yes.  Nostr is where normies will come once they get burned by their current stove and start looking for an alternative.  Even then they still need to do the work to understand why nostr is unique and is home.


this is about this thread? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38718544

I think you know my opinion :)


Yes, that thread. I don't think I know your opinion, which is why I listen.


https://youtu.be/9pGZ2epF8ZY?si=Nh5o5KFl8j7ZWlgN

basically we need to make it easy for a custodial nostr but one where users own their keys and can leave the custodial identity service to self host or choose another service.


We have a huge amount of work to do in that regard. I've got NIP-46 support slated for gossip 0.10, but I don't even know of any NIP-46 providers I can use to test it as I develop.


From: nostr:npub1vyrx2prp0mne8pczrcvv38ahn5wahsl8hlceeu3f3aqyvmu8zh5s7kfy55


this is the way.
dont join the Great Dumbing Down by catering to (non-existent) blob people who need you to think, walk, and talk for them. build quality instead.


I don't understand users feeling they need centralized moderation. On nostr, and really most social media to be honest, you are basically your own moderator. If you don't want to see some material then you don't follow the people that post it. Very easy.


I'm pretty sure that thread is a very biased sample though, so I wouldn't generalize to normies


I think this is it https://github.com/fiatjaf/nak
https://cdn.satellite.earth/d03578cbdfdd0a0a43b5e3fcedab43dcfcb340dc1f7517f8d1f77ff45fef0238.mp4


People are paying a lot of attention to what you've written.
Added to the https://nostraco.in/hot feed


I didn't catch your talk in Tokyo so I'm listening to it now.

I agree that we need to provide powerful mechanisms for feed curation, including as communities that moderate content, as friends that flag content, etc. Feed curation gets even more complicated than just "community norms" though. I don't want to see nudity when I'm working because it is potentially distracting. But after work I'm fine with nudity. Gossip now has lists, so you can choose what kind of content you want to see right now, and switch to something else later.

Gossip has "sensitive content" warnings. Gossip has person-muting and thread-muting. Gossip has spam filtering via script too. But it needs more.

I think NIP-32 labelling is a good idea but can't be programmed against without a hard ontology. NIP-56 reporting is a good idea but has a too-simple ontology. NIP-72 moderated communities are too siloed and won't include most of the people I want to follow. So gossip doesn't do any of this yet .. I'm waiting on a better solution to be proposed first.

I don't care if we aren't growing (I don't need growth to pay the bills), as I've mentioned multiple times now, but I guess I would care if we shrunk and withered away.


That's the thing about triage. You can only save the people you can save. Time and energy is limited, I only talk about alt tech if people bring it up. If they don't use it, I don't mention it again.
I've got stuff to get done..


we’re building a provider for nos.social. not ready for testing yet.


JUST LIKE MY THANKSGIVING TURKEY! 😆


So today I learned from hacker news:

Normies think bitcoin is a scam.
Normies expect other people to curate their feed.
Normies want a central operator to complain to.

I'm glad normies don't join nostr. I think we should not be catering to normies. Normies can go get stuffed.


People don't want to be free, just want to be "safe"


I can't remember who posted it, but fairly recently someone opined that Nostr should focus on serving the need of their current userbase. Which are predominantly Bitcoiners (I don't have figure, but this seems to be the case to me).


Maybe their wives' boyfriends cut their meat for them at dinner, too.


Most bitcoiners were normies sometime except for Hal. People are at different places on their #Bitcoin journeys   We welcome then all but realize many wwon't jump the Chasm


hackernews is the worst


I'd go a step further and say that we shouldn't cater to the *willfully ignorant* and should stop making excuses for them. Some "normies" value their liberty and are willing to learn


You are not Plebs or revolutionaries. You are obtuse traders. Digital Nomads are Digital Colonizers. And the locals HATE you deeply. Have two monitors? You are a Normie Trader. Go look at some charts. We will work.


https://image.nostr.build/06b7fcfab7141cbecf408ac4cffca9532c81a949baf07ece869f0d51e65be616.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=500x562&blurhash=%7BAELHT9zDNNFrqxFIUWB-V%7EVRkM_ITMw%252t7%25MxZ%251NdITM_WBt7%3BdNKpIniV%5BRjIUR%2C0K%25gxvIUofRiShxtEhnixuRPRitRoeWqMdtSofMxt7ofozkBo%23M%7Bn%25xuRjW%3BR*kC%25MRPM%7C%25MRjRij%5Ba%7D&x=00a7a8a96845b896acfbd060fde3b75c109cf87893ca1b8730409ab519ef0550

I just love this meme format 🤣

I'm not saying we shouldn't focus on good UX but we can't worry about capturing every last normie. Let's focus on the left and right bell curve people, not the middle.

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HACKER NEWS IS DOMINATED BY SILICON VALLEY BIG TECH SIMPS


I definitely disagree with this. Bringing mainstream users onboard is crucial for several reasons. Mass adoption is what ultimately drives network growth and innovation.  Mainstream adoption is important to Nostr becoming resilient against centralization pressures. ‘Normies’ are integral to achieving widespread acceptance and understanding of new technology. Inclusivity is the cornerstone of any platform aiming for long-term success.


These are not normies, normies are smarter.


The masses don’t matter. Only the Remnant matters.


Facts. I want to learn bc I am curious. Plus I like to complain to myself not to Official Complaint Dept
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All these “how can we make Nostr easier for people” type notes just got binned.


Let's build a bot, Central Nostr Operator, the CNO of Nostr, and you tag him when you like to complain about something. It then starts a chat with you, saying he is sorry for your negative experience with Nostr and that qualified staff is about to have a look at it. Might take some days as there is a lot going on. And then never write again. Normies like to be listened to. When an npub tagged CNO five times nodes are informed to blacklist the npub 😂


I'd much rather be human, than normal.


i probably should get stuffed and go back to fedi, but i do what i want lol


People actually believe or are easily convinced that things the mainstream doesn't agree with should not be viewable by anyone and banned.


Nak bunker is good for testing


Great to see this!!

Will you support the new oauth-like flow and NIP-89-announce it for other clients to register accounts on?