Oddbean new post about login | logout I’d love to see a recourse as we are having a scientific discussion:)
It’s about placement
Could you describe in your own words how you understand it?
Is there a copper wire in a lightning cloud?
Is the sunlight entering your eye through a copper wire ? Do you need to press your ear to peoples mouths to hear them speak? Air is a medium for wave propagation and moreover electromagnetic waves (light) are the only waves that propagates without a medium aka vacuum of space
I’m mainly arguing definitions - the idea that electricity exists separately from magnetism to me is false. Do you consider microwaves light?
I think experimentally magnet is not necessary for electrical charges to emerge and natural magnets don’t require electricity to have magnetic properties. They have a big overlap and affect each other but aren’t inseparable.
Ok well I think you’re wrong but that’s fine How else would it be possible…? Magnetism is intrinsic to all things? No? Dia Para Ferro
Microwave is radiation on electromagnetic spectrum same as visible light so I’d only use word light for the visible spectrum but it’s an arbitrary description as physically only frequency differs between them
Again I’m being facetious and arguing definitions. However my point is that there’s still a ton of things UNDEFINED by most people which I will define because of experience
Please define something here. I am honestly curious to know what is your view on electricity.
The view is that it’s all magnetism
Can you please explain it in scientific terms? Like what phenomenon/experiments make you think that ?
it's kinetic energy carried over magnetic fields, which can be induced as toroidal fields around a conductor while the force is transferred (current is being carried) kinetic energy, or force, causes a change in the structure of matter in some way it's an interesting thing, someone did an experiment with very long wires, on one side, battery, several kilometers of cable on each side, and a lightbulb on the other side of the loop, right next to the battery guess how long the light took to turn on, given that the speed of light for the several kilometers distance was a few milliseconds yeah, instantly, like the wires were centimetres long my personal theory is that magnetic fields are actually electrons in pairs rotating in opposite direction to each other, and force can be transferred faster than light because it's caused by rotations of the field which have zero time of travel keeping this in mind, note that the entire galaxy is a connected magnetic field and so are all the galaxies connected to each other, the entanglement and reverse time experiments prove that information can actually be carried without time or energy cost, and our digital encoded signaling systems flints and charcoal compared to what will be possible eventually (and probably already happening inside our noggins)
I’m literally sad you took away opportunity from @Sasha to actually use a braincell. I’m also sad you say “did you know” about the video that has been shared in the beginning of this conversation. You are clearly interested in talking and not listening. Do you know what would be the difference in this experiment if said cables were further apart than one meter that they were ?
i'd guess, given the conditions are that it's DC, that the greater the distance the greater the resistance, so a circle version would not light up, without incredible voltage that would probably fuse regular house wires it's just that most people don't understand that electrical current is conveyed by a magnetic field and magnetic fields have zero mass so the time of travel is about hysteresis, which for copper wires is very low as it isn't ferromagnetic... but it's high enough that it seems like the same or near abouts the same as light speed. an experiment using an iron conductor versus copper would confirm this this is an old debate, also, and the reason why tesla was right and edison was wrong about DC current the resistance is too high for safe DC voltages, and foot thick wires are just not very practical in terms of cost of production there is a lot of misconceptions about the nature of electricity everything is electromagnetic, electricity really is just literally the phenomena of kinetic energy transferred over magnetic fields this is why this idea you can't create an impulse engine purely via electricity is wrong, electrons are matter, you jsut have to get them in a quantum configuration that turns the velocity into mass long enough to do the newton thing also i'm not sure sasha is a woman... it's actually a slavic pet name version of alex
Electromagnetic field !!!! Not the magnetic field. The two are different
yes, the kinetic energy the *changing* magnetic field it's difficult to even say which one is which, is kinetic energy a changing magnetic field or is a changing magnetic field kinetic energy? this "gravitational potential energy" which is the spook in the middle of this equation, is the energy that is carried by an electromagnetic field, that literally enables you to spin a wheel on one side, and a loop of wire with a coil on each end and you can transfer that kinetic energy directly as spin (given good geometric arrangement) to another, sans the resistance loss of the resistance of the loop of conductor between what's interesting, to me, is that though the change of the polarity has a kind of inertia (which is proportional to resistance) it does not have a time of travel, only a limitation based on the medium the current flows through, which gives you resistance resistance creates heat in the conductor but heat can also alter the flow of kinetic energy via newton's equal and opposite this is why it's an absolute travesty that we still don't have public access to tesla's papers because there is good reason to believe he mostly figured out how to directly take that field potential out of the earth and directly generate current and this shouldn't be amazing because in fact, earthquakes mostly happen via piezoelectric action caused by electrons thrown at us by the sun and caught in the poles of the earth's magnetic field with the way that this magnetic field is weakening at this time, as a rotating field oscillation that passes every ~6000 years through 90 degrees from the centre of the galaxy, if humans could just figure out how to use the endless energy that is currently on in the process of going massively hockeystick to protect ourselves from the earthquakes, storms and volcanoes that this weak magnetic field is also going to induce i didn't mean to interrupt the discussion, per se, just that my models of energy and motion and matter have been greatly impacted by recent understanding about how magnetism and electrons and protons flow around the solar system and galaxy and how it affects the weather, especially but that's massive amounts of energy, i mean massive, i mean retarded amounts of energy, and in normal times it's enough to run all the machines, but in these times it could launch us to deep space
Would you please provide any sources to earthquake statement there ?
yes there is many, if you watch the Suspicious Observers channel every other day he's announcing new geophysics papers he's found that have discovered influencing relations between solar energy phenomena and earthquakes much of the rock in the crust of the earth contains piezoelectric reactive quartz crystals that deform when you put current through them of sufficient voltage, and the rest of the material is mildly conductive materials, like, the iron/magnesium/aluminum of basaltic rocks, and quartz is not just piezo but amorphous silica crystals in general can hold surface charges, like the way it is used to make ceramic capacitors, and how they exert their adsorbent effects as used in chromatography and other things like water purifiers catching ions and cations
Imho the field is the area in which force is present aka field is an abstraction and not a substance. Thoughts? About your personal theory: do you mean electron pairs in a single atom ? In that case what about atomic weight 1? Or do you mean electron pairs between different atoms, in that case could you describe how this would work? Random, non scientific, I’m pulling this out of my ass: if same charges (two negatively charged electrones) are rotating in opposite directions (rotating around what?) are they not canceling out each others effects?
electrons are particles that tend to orbit protons and have a left and right spin, they form pairings and if these pairings are within sufficient ratio of their paths and their spin, they function - like you say, - as atomic weight zero, or a virtual hydrogen atom, which is 2 electrons, 1 proton and 1 neutron yes, regarding the last point, i think that when you temporarily induce an electron pair into a tight enough orbit of each other they lose their electromagnetic field and become pure kinetic (gravitational potential) energy the Em Drive is a recent experiment that shows that it seems to be possible to induce electrons into a state where they act as though they have standard gravitational potential energy aka mass it's my opinion that if you combine a tesla coil circuit with a resonator, like the Em Drive you can greatly increase the production of these "temporary matter" configuration of electrons and have full on impulse engine that only moves electrons and doesn't require a one way chemical energy circuit
Ok, thanks for putting something concrete on the table. I hoped @Sasha to do it but oh well. I’ll read into this and will let you know if my mind is changed by any degree
meh, i have just had ideas, no money or space to do experiments, some relatively concrete concepts for how to build the devices but no opportunity it does feel like it's on the tip of my tongue or something how you would take the excess electrons out of the earth to capture the kinetic energy they encapsulate, like, someone is going to figure it out really soon
@mleku What tf kind of thread did I just follow you in to. Fellas, MIT offers free courses on YouTube, and their new opencoursewear website. Stanford offers engineering courses free on coursera.com. Idk who needs to go back to class but holy crap.
i am unable to determine if you mean i need the courses or if others need the courses if the question is about piezoelectricity having a relation to seismic activity then, idk what to say i miss the days when piezo tweeters were common in those days i could hear the sound properly
also, if there was an electric impulse device that existed this discussion wouldn't even be happening it's not in the schools yet, it's still barely in the papers for a decade now the em-drive stuff was at first poo pooed and then suddenly nasa started a research project, because it seemed to be true that these "electrons" were pushing matter around, and not just a boring electrostatic style ion drive, which has the fuel gas problem (and associated weight for launch) if i were a working theoretical physicist with a lab where i could make all the coils and piezo things and whatnot that i wanted, i wouldn't be saying "it's all just ideas i have had from what i have read" and the stuff about solar-driven piezo action being involved in earthquakes is not trivial this is a shit-ton of energy that can bump around the peta-tons of crust that move in an earthquake this is energy, we can use this energy, before it induces an earthquake, if we can figure out how to make a contra-potential (positive) for the electrostatic force coming upwards from the ground, it's literally free energy from the solar system magnetic field sheet, same as solar energy uses photons to bump electrons around this is just catching the actual electrons our highly capacitative earth is being fed
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https://youtu.be/sOabkUn53B8 the earth discharges upwards too, not only does charge in the atmosphere go downwards the earth is a giant capacitor and tapping the energy it absorbs is probably the end of the energy problem for us here on earth
I know it’s sooo fucking cool, but it would mean that we are 100% not in control which is why trolls hate these concepts
if you search youtube you can find videos where it is demonstrated that a flame is more conductive than normal air this means that a flame is in a semi-plasma state, thus the decreased resistance and thus, it also logically follows, that rock that is so damn hot it's liquid, is probably in a semi-plasma state, which means that it is conductive, and thus, my hypothesis is that this upward flowing volcano lightning is actually a negative discharge of earth's collected electrostatic energy, in to a positively charged smoke cloud, (usually) it just seems DUH to me that if electricity zaps upwards from an erupting volcano, that probably there is jigawatts of electricity in the earth if we just knew how to make a positive charge pole to suck it up and catch that current and drop it in a capacitor/and/or charge batteries or pump water uphill or whatever
100% the earth is alive it has a plasma neurological nervous system is the best way I can explain it
all of the celestial bodies have an electromagnetic thing the big absurdity of modern climate doomers is that only heat and albedo matters (how much we absorb and how much we reflect of heat) but negatively charged dust is key to cloud formation, water does not form droplets without negatively charged dust to stick to... and cloud formation itself stops albedo anyway, as most of it is reflected back upwards due to total internal reflection of the water droplet's high refractive index it's the same kind of phenomenon as crystallization, the crystals always form on some tiny bit of garbage with the right electrostatic field around it i for one am keeping my ears open for clues about how you draw electrons up out of the earth deliberately, because drilling holes and sticking long metal rods down to conduct this electrostatic charge (yeah, i am thinking what these nerds are calling "electric fields" are really the same thing as electrostatic) and how to catch that in a giant array of capacitors and then discharge it slowly into batteries or drive pumps to move water so the energy can be stored later
Ok I have some ideas too, you need a very specific type of jungle at a high elevation
Before we harness it can we just figure out the mechanics first?
that is necessary first step, really, it's just the question of what you can do to create a massive positive electrostatic charge on a material so when a conductor is connected to a negative charged object the current jumps through the conductor and you get your discharge
yeah, damp ground is important, as is carbon levels, as both increase conductivity but i think the hard part is how to make something that has the required positive potential at the upper end of your conductor it obviously can't just be another capacitor, because that's what is at the other end, you see what i mean? needs to be some kind of device that induces a massive positive charge somehow, or some material that you can induce this state repeatedly or cheaply i mean, think like, why does wool carpet and many kinds of polyurethane rubber when rubbed, pull electrons out of the rubber and then discharge when you touch earth? whatever this rubbing process entails, how can i get that passively, how can i make an electrostatic adsorbing surface dump all its electrons so it can suck them up from somewhere the key would be how you can bootstrap that process, because i'm pretty sure you could make it run overunity so long as you aren't pulling more up than is down there
Can you please link the specific classes that you think are most applicable to those who want to enlighten themselves on electricity?
My entire comment history is loading now, so I can see now you were "trolling" if you will. But If you are being serious the electrical engineering course (of which I took in college) would suite you quite well. For entry level, specifically physics 2, linear algebra, and differential equations. If you care more about the physics side of things, electric fields, magnetics and so on, stick to "emag" or electro-magnitism courses. Some (or most) of these are graduate level so I would assume you have a prerequsite bachelors of science or equivalent (usually covers physics too). If you care more about electronic design, stick to signals and circuits courses. Signals is by far the most difficult in an electrical program, imo. But it just really helps you make sense of space/time imo. If you don't do well with abstraction, it really helps make time quantizable
I can’t seem to be able to zap you ⚡️
I appreciate it, but I don't have a lighting wallet configured. I don't use a smart phone and server based wallets are super complex to learn and avoid issues. Imo lighting is severely under-developed. I have an on-chain address for those who want to donate to my software and that works out fine!
Thank you! And No I wasn’t intending to troll. lol. If I could add a comment, it is that the addition of chemistry is what will bring us to the next discovery in the field ⚛️🧪
Hi Sasha ! I didn't yet have time to compile interesting lessons for you but I'll sporadically send you stuff. Here is a whole lot of physics simulators, many electricity simulators amongst them https://www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html
Bookmarked thank you! Love stuff like this Question - what are your thoughts on “data” transmission? How does it transmit data from data without being disruptive?
Heyy, just saw the question now. I’m not sure what exactly do you mean.. can you elaborate?
Do you believe data transmission can change the atmosphere?
if it's ionizing radiation like 20ghz V band as used in starlink, yes, but i doubt it has that much of an impact without being extremely high powered (like a whole dedicated power plant running the transmitter) however, i think it can disrupt clocks in some parts of the body that are evolved to pick up the diurnal schumann resonance oscillation, similar to how blue light has a reflexive trigger in the eyes that disrupts the sleep/wake cycle
I’m wondering whats the fear behind this question…
You’re right, it does sound scary, right? That’s because it is.
Hahaha I still don’t know what are you afraid of 😅
Magnetic field disruption, sets of chain reactions in ways that you would never think possible
@mleku showed a great example of how to communicate scientific ideas. Could you try to formulate your thoughts in scientific terms most preferably with examples and or references?
lol, i just have a big vocabulary, and creative mind for sciency stuff
also, if you want to read about the theory that radio frequencies disrupt biological clocks go check out jack kruse https://jackkruse.com/ there is a magnetic oscillation that does a 360' rotation every ~25000 yeares at our position in the galactic disk, it is described as "corrugated" and this causes massive disruption of the magnetic fields of all the planets and the sun, and every 12000 years it causes a "micronova" which is basically a massive storm on the sun that puts out so much matter that in the subsequent 1000 years or so there is objects formed out of it and these also then smash into the planets and cause further chaos the magnetic disruption alone causes massive problems because it disrupts the normal function of the earth's magnetic field and prompts it to rotate 90', this is the phase of the cycle, every 6000 years, 90' rotation when this happens, the earth's naturally lumpy magnetic field, because of the uneven distribution of material inside it, at least every 12000 years becomes so disrupted that the crust of the earth moves around to align this magnetic material with the new orientation of the galactic magnetic current sheet, or corrugated magnetic field that propagates from the supermassive stars at the centre of the galaxy, through all the matter around it you can look these things up, and yes it is scary, and all those dinosaur bones, yes, they are there now from the last time there was a rotation, and i'm pretty sure now that it was 12000 years ago and this was the story behind the Noah great flood (and many other cultures have similar stories, there was tsunamis, meteor storms, airbursts and streaking meteors setting fire to thousands of square miles of land, some talk about how the sun had become "evil" and excessively hot if you want to pick up the general gist of it, though i think some of the thesis is wrong, get the book "The Apocalypse of Yajnavalkya" - in that book it describes a lot of things that now i know about the galactic magnetic rotation cycle (corrugated current sheet) all fits together a lot better, and also probably explains the disaster of the tower of babel and sodom and gomorrah and the plagues of egypt and all that stuff all sorta fit neatly into that timeline what's scary is that it's likely going to happen within the next 50 years, another cycle like the one that was the Great Flood and that humans as they are in this situation don't have very long to prepare for it, and most are so oblivious to what is going on, and deluded by these stories about global warming and anthropogenic global warming, it's gonna be a miracle if anyone survives
🙏you’re so cool Faraday, 1832: When a conductive liquid, such as water moves through a magnetic field, it will induce occur that is perpendicular to that of the field Combined with your note above/beliw, it makes me wonder if it’s just an experience of this effect but at a different scale of time oscillations, the effect so disruptive that from an outside observer the “object” would always look perpendicular from the “volatility field”. So anyways, the satellites will come down when this happens yea?
@mleku @Sasha You guys we have a philosophical difference here. I'm not really concerned in which way will I dye or which way the humanity will go to hell. I'm not arguing anything you wrote @mleku, I just thing I have bigger chances to get hit by a car tomorrow or get a terminal disease from pollution in our air and food than to be lucky enough to dye of some cosmic scheme. Also I believe in deterministic universe so what needs to happen will happen. Also I refuse to be afraid of things that I can't influence. Also I am only concerned with things that affect my life, I like to make things work weather it's fixing an old radio or optimizing heating with a home miner. Philosophizing about digital stuff being real is fine, but only provided that the other party is aware of at least high school physics and is able to express ones thoughts in scientific language. @Sasha "Do not ask weather the statement is true until you know what it means" -Errett Bishop @mleku Thank you for sharing your thoughts and resources, I will listen to the five hours of Jack Kruse and Andrew Huberman on Rick Rubin's podcast. (listed to the first hour already, sounds legit.)
Ok I don’t believe in determinism so you’re right, we do differ, and that’s ok 👍
determinism does not rule out entropy or chaotic dynamics, those can be created easily with feedback systems of all kinds... for example, the three body problem...
Determinism assumes that truth is static and real, which can’t be the case because everything vibrates. I would say determinism is mostly the case but only within a single observational spacial point, the future and past cannot be fully observed and thus cannot be deterministic
Wtf has nothing to do with vibration or “truth” I believe that every physical event has a consequence that is determined by laws of physics, as such every state is a consequence of a previous state in other words DETERMINED by the previous state. I do not have guesses where the starting point was but everything what followed was determined by the starting state. Put in a sprinkle of multiverse theory and everything that can happen has happened. Biological bodies are part of physical realm hence no free will. Please don’t mistaken this to nihilism.
The uncertainty principal proves determinism wrong. Determinism would deny the validity or importance of categorical data, which I don’t agree with.
abstractions are not erased by determinism, they are models not things, not subject to physical laws
Then explain chemistry
what i just wrote before about the combinatorial complexity of states, this is even more the case as we are talking about the positions of gazillions of molecules and tehir associated particles (photons, electrons, protons, etc etc) they only become predictable given control of their mixing within specific narrow conditions of their state space reaction equilibrium, for example, relates to the level of energy lost in the transformation, and the energy required to undo this transformation - if you put too much energy in, it can go to other states instead again, some of it doesn't do all the same thing, this is why purification is always a key step in chemistry... even 0.1% contamination can completely stop a reaction from taking place
i'm not saying that the world is not mostly deterministic, but the uncertainty principal makes 100% determinism impossible
i think it is logically impossible for a product of a system to model the system itself with enough precision to really see ethe future beyond a certain degree of detail of the states of the system so it's not that it isn't predictable, it can't be predicted by us by God yes, not by us, nor anything within this universe
Potato’s make electricity. I have 10,000 in my backyard powering a s9 Science 🌈
they could, by fermenting them into alcohol fuel :D
Oh man thank you 🤗 🤗
Just wanted to insert myself with some nonsense to break up the intelligence 😂
Opposite, you have rescued the most braindead convo on the protocol
in order to make the effort to do any science at all you have to make the assumption that the system's parameters can be contained such that you can artificially cause an effect to occur it is illogical to assume that you can't do this and the advance of science is entirely about discovering the conditions of replication, and has not ceased to allow us to uncover new things for thousands of years at least
nothing is 100% probable bro believe it or not you could die at any moment
Fuck just go back to school bro
i work with 256 bit large integers all the time with my code and the number that they can count is more than the estimated number of atoms in the universe almost everything in the physical universe has more state space, so, determinism in the sense of reproducability requires you to massively narrow down the possible states of a phenomena to funnel it through the one you want to recur, and it's not ever really a perfect repetition
Sory, this is just a word salad
i've done a lot of experiments and self-observation regarding free will, it's a paradox the entire phenomenon of learning is based on making decisions to respond in one way or another from what i know of number theory it's just so far beyond predictable what it will do that it is effectively not possible to predict much of it you really can't compare any two given experiences with each other because they simply are not the same
glad you found huberman and kruse interesting, they both know their stuff, and it's a bit off the mainstream health map, but of course - lots of money in wireless networks, it's big tobacco all over again if you ask me in any case it's gonna be a moot point if the intensity of geomagnetic storms continues to escalate over the next 20 years, no radio will be working after another carrington event, lots of power wires catching fire, and all that it's not about being afraid, it's being realistic - make a trajectory to be ready to go steam age for a decade possibly, and maybe consider moving somewhere far from the sea when i realised that we really are looking at impending geomagnetic chaos - and you can see this by an uptick in whale beachings and problems with aircraft navigation systems now for almost a decade, there is no question that something bad is in the pipes i think it could be terminal, but i'm just gonna assume it's steam age for a decade and work on that basis i like food cooked with fire anyway
I’m surprised your profile picture has sunglasses after listening to a significant amount of Kruse 😉
they are class 5 IR blocking glasses that stop CCDs catching my eyes i probably should not wear them all the time outside haha
For welding?
for cameras to not capture images of my face that can me automatically recognised
Ahh, smart
yeah, i've tested it... outside in bright sunshine, a photo of my face all you see when you crank up the brightness is the lenses become mirrors, because they are blocking all light the camera is receiving through from the inside
Generally, one doesn’t have believes in physics but experimental demonstration and measurement so I “believe” in studies that’s methodology is valid and that have been replicated. To actually answer: I don’t think about it. In order to discuss this I could read up and form an overview on what’s the state of research on this topic but I don’t find it interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QFJMmhfI39w Some more food for thought
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