Interesting question  

 Not that I know of, no. 

 Interesting to see how they treat this when we read the minutes.

I care more about the node situation than any sentencing in this case. 

 nostr:nevent1qqs89w979jk9hgjy48aupyg88wcy0zpl3lf0pydmanevrm22l04ax6qpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrp0yh8jet8dpex7tnnd96x2gqzyr3zvzn67vanhgcqwsg3c3t8j080trf2ks79jedahdj4ly8ewwv6cqcyqqqqqqg5haqv0 

 Thanks.  I’m still not clear - were the Tornado Cash devs operating a central server?  Or was every Etherium node performing that function? 

 This is the thing that I don't understand about ethereum & smart contracts.

The contracts are supposed to be immutable, but there are operations that clearly aren't if tornado cash isn't operational.  

 Yeah that seems… broken.  My rudimentary understanding was that “smart contracts” were executed by each node.  But the whole system is so convoluted it’s hard to determine where the real dependencies are.

If you’re saying the Tornado Cash “smart contract” stopped executing after the devs were arrested, that’s a pretty good indicator that there was some centralized server dependency.

It’s sad and unjust, but not unexpected. 

 I looked around and someone forked the code and is updating it. Perhaps they are using it on tor? 

https://git.tornado.ws/tornadocontrib/tornado-cli 

 But it says this

"List of rpc & relayers for withdrawal
Refer https://chainlist.org for a full list of available public RPC URLs.

Note that most of the RPC would censor sanctionded pool contracts.

So either you can use the default RPC or find yourself a suitable one." 

 & this is a good question ⁉️ 

nostr:nevent1qqsffqh2uqkzr77lk2z2t9cp0v3rtmsuafp9225e3rl2zl4elrfmtaqpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzpz9zcw6zpd9qyacx4xrqp50aw39vdn739cspkaqcn0j77jet82j9qvzqqqqqqyv0vyjm 

 I think that’s the main technical point you could argue in court, like you said above.  If you’re running central servers to facilitate the “mixing” etc, plus taking a fee, I don’t see how you’re gonna win on a technical argument. 

 Bingo, that's the issue & they fucked us. 

 ML and sanction violations I believe. 

 So there's nuance here, fucking hate the Samourai folk.

They fucked us hard. 

 You won't be surprised to hear that I think that's a retarded comment. 

 TBF you're hurting right now & understandably so. 
 

 Sorry, I was incorrect. However, Just like Samourai, they *do* make money off of the conjoins.  

 I believe one of the indictments in the Tornado Cash case did have to do with MTB. The defense recently filed a motion to dismiss based on the fact that tornado cash had no “control” of user funds and the US DOJ’s response was that “control” is not required to be a MTB 

 Makes sense, users don't run their own nodes in ethereum. 

I wonder how that shit worked if not with a centralized node like Samourai operated. 

 Sounds pretty centralized.

https://image.nostr.build/5ce067cecfc6a23193c8476a935a5de49a01e724a2abe82d0d84894f5e975554.jpg 

 https://image.nostr.build/936ac965aca0b6d1eaabe2f210c37a2620e0e6b820a6ef7a7c327ddea15dff7a.jpg 

 The common denominator is that someone was profiting off the mixing and therefore had culpability 

 Two common denominators:

Running a server/node which users could use on their behalf + profiting.  

 They also claim that MTs have a responsibility to put in place AML curtails - which obv weren't there & the RZN wasabi did it preemptively, bc it's the law unfortunately.

You just can't be labeled as an MT.

So yeah profiting is already a shot in the head.