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Maria2000 | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 I've been looking at Session too, no phone number or email required.  And  xmpp works well, both for text and calls. I use Cheogram app on my android for that.
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The Beave | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Session is decent.
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cuban | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 Will have to add these thanks
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Kanzan | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 How many relays can they really be running?
Pretty sure oxen is the only group running any. Their financial model depended strictly on a token to incentivize people to run nodes and I feel like that went nowhere.
Also, while they once had Signal forward secrecy, they quit using it for some reason. Dunno why. So messages *could be decrypted if they run a mitm attack and end up getting access to the keys.

Its just kinda weird.
Probably fine for low threat models but I'd stick with OTR or OMEMO over XMPP or Simplex if you're concerned about targeted surveillance.
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The Beave | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Well, that's good to know. Thank you.