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 Relay proxies and dvms. There is a whole world of optimizations out there that haven't been tried 
 Yeah. This too! 
 A relay proxy is a simple solution, but if we are honest it is just moving the problem to another place. You, as the user, still need to run the proxy relay or trust someone else to run it for you. 
 Yes, but it does improve on the performance problems you were mentioning. 
 That is to say, a smart proxy can select relays, cache relevant data, etc. Completely agree on the privacy questions 
 Yes, I quite like the proxy model (it’s essentially what filter.nostr.wine is with additional features) though it has centralization/privacy costs. I’m not sold that people will be able to run these effectively on their own though. 

I’m interested in this discussion though, not just trying to naysay. I would like to hear the counter arguments. I made another post to Jeff nostr:note1q8yqvh246yprxwth3lnwnduz5ctfjgcajjqzcqgps2tjd4z3c0ts6m576w