Joe really doesn't talk to enough decentralized Internet / proper cryptography / privacy / Bitcoin people. 

It's actually a major blind spot in most of the "mainstream alternative media" podcast space. So many podcasters are THIS close to understanding where we can go but they lack the technical awareness or even just what is possible (without understanding the technologies involved). 

Bret and Eric Weinsten are two others who have this blind spot. Bret seems to be catching on a bit lately 

 I think the NFTs and shitcoins gave a lot of people like Joe a sour taste for crypto. We have a lot of work to do