Oddbean

"We watched active members become lurkers over time, and when interviewed, many would cite the space-dominating behaviors of our most active members as a reason behind disengaging with the community entirely."

There is no need for consensus in Nostr, but on NIP-01. Everyone can make his own thing and create an alternative. The users and time will decide, it is a free market. That's a strength of Nostr and Bitcoin.

From https://yesterweb.org/#community-space-overgrowth nostr:nprofile1qyv8wumn8ghj7enfd36x2u3wdehhxarj9emkjmn99uqjqamnwvaz7tmpwpkxzcm9d9h8g6r9wd6kutnwdaehgu339e3k7mf0qyf8wumn8ghj7umpw3ekzem99eu8j730q9zhwumn8ghj7unnxg6kz6mew3ax6me5w44rydt2wfcn2dtjdfchxdr3vdhxx7r2d43hyanyde3kjcn4dacxvmrrd4nrx7fhdae8zepwdahxjmmw9uq36amnwvaz7tmxv4jkguewdehhxarj9e3xzmny9ahx2amnw3eqqgxzxrkaxn99eqcchaze9tq9dn0rw5va89wqjpxr06suv59c4498zggclhes nostr:nprofile1qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hsqg9w3m64wcmskh9er5nzeuxnr4wwnaw2ymp66t2k6hzc7cprvvly2vct4qxk

See #1-4 on this note. That is a big issue here. The current top accounts within niches must do better interacting with their followers and amplifying more voices until there is a distributed foothold to maintain them. People do not want to join a social network just to feel isolated -- they can get enough of that in society. https://primal.net/e/note1elej9ewwhwvtlmamjvwr86swxgv92m89ph8ecxga4npk7tfq8u8svks28z

so now its not just people talking about bitcoin too much that is preventing this elusive influx of normies, its the people who actually use nostr which are preventing people from using nostr. well there is clearly only one answer… bring back the Millennial safe spaces.

That's a very strange reason. Maybe they mean they didn’t see enough people posting, so those who posted frequently were filling up their feeds? Seems like an easy fix — follow more people, unfollow the people whose frequent posts you don’t like. But it doesn’t really matter. People will get nostr at the price they deserve.

Oh I get this. I think it depends on the platforms and what they were designed for. I had an active group on Google Plus before. It was a great site. You could see posts on a profile and see if someone was worth following, share with specific groups of people that you designated in "circles", start and manage communites that's only certain people could share posts to keep things on topic, and you could set up a chat room and video/voice call separately. When the platform was closing I convinced my pals to try out discord since at the time you didn't need to have an account to try it. No friction. Discord at least had the chat room and video call aspect of we did. The probablem was now we had this chat room that people started using like their personal post feed and a chat room is not really meant for that. Some would share whatever for the heck of it regardless of whatever conversation was happening. You'd create different rooms to keep things on topic, but then there was one person who would do nothing but those specific types of comments and they would basically "own" the room. Nobody else would want to chat there because soon their topics would disappear after the other person starts sharing their stuff steady. I'm sure the big thing in this instance was moderation and just straight up telling the user to knock it off, but for me it's also moving everyone from a proper social media site to basically what was a chatroom with voice calls. Some were used to the dynamic they had on a proper social media site and behaved the same way in the chat room. Kinda like using a wrench as a hammer. It might get the job done, but it's not the right tool for the task, you'd have a better experience with a proper hammer.

The question is, how do you want to use it? Right now it just feels like an endless scroll of novelty on all social media. Deeper thought and more in depth topics, even when they are shared, get lost in the endless scroll. I like the reddit style of comments (despite loathing what it has become). I also like the 4chan style of image board. I think it lends itself very well to staying on topic conversationally.

I think it could be also the UI issue, not just the moderation. Discord has a pretty poor threading functionality IMO. Just a one-level reply makes it more like a radio communication channel, where you have to keep saying "over", and it gets messy pretty quickly with more people trying to talk. I think Slack is much more versatile and better suited for both conversations, and broadcasting.

Good design doesn't need everyone to bluntly repost replies fOr ViSiBiLiTy. If the whole discussion is already targeted at an appropriate audience (for example a Community Relay), you can use other UI's than an OP feed to surface valuable conversations about the common interest of that Community. There's no problem with re-targeting a publication to a new group of people that is probably interested in it. There are simply better tools for that job. (sharing in chat/community/group, tagging specific profiles, embedding in another publication...)

Yeah, but most people seem to be using Twitter-clones and sticking to the "main feed". I've been doing less "bumping to main" and that means there's only the same 10 people, or so, to talk to. It's not as isolating as long-form, but similar. Most people never look at threads. I have threads that go on for days. Clearly not cut-out for social media. 😂