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 BRICS+ are about to announce a new shitcoin called "UNIT". 

It's stupid, and painful to watch, but it could set bitcoin back by 20 years. 

Just because the dollar is collapsing doesn't mean Bitcoin wins. 

The key thing to understand is that those who produce the Stuff get to decide what money the world will use to replace the USD. 

No one else has a vote.

 
 Brics countries are still self serving and they are all served best by holding bitcoin. 
 Nevertheless, they are going a different direction.  
 yup it seems so.  
 The United States produces plenty of energy to sustain the bitcoin network. 
 That only helps if the energy producers themselves are Bitcoiners and don't need to buy anything from China etc.  
 I disagree. It might take a little longer for the price action to go parabolic but the USA has enough going for it via the legal system (mineral rights, etc.) that hash rate will be just fine. And if hashrate is fine, then NGU, and if NGU then People will choose bitcoin over any state or corporate sponsored asset. 
 NGU is a financial instrument within the fiat economy. 

If the supply chain demands fiat, then spending bitcoin simply creates demand for fiat. 

That also means offramps are more important to the market than self custody, and so most people will be using a custodian.

Custodians can rehypothecate, and very few people will care, that's the end of the 21 million cap. 

NGU = just another asset class. 

Bitcoin as a new territory of freedom is where the opportunity lies, but practically no one is using it that way. 

 
 The main trading partner of every BRICS country is China (save China themselves). I think it won't happen, this UNIT. But I also think them choosing BTC is a foolish hope. BTC couldn't handle it, not even close, despite some fundamentals you and I both like (that China doesn't care about or actively dislikes). Trades will be mostly in yuan with some amount of hedging. 
 That's kind of what this is. Essentially Yuan with a 40% gold hedge. 

I have a bad feeling that Bitcoin is going to crash upwards alongside the demise of the USD, the global economy will rebalance around Yuan + gold and not a Bitcoin because it's rapidly becoming nothing more than a financial instrument within the USD economy.  
 OK I'm reading a bit more, I guess it's more like a modern replacement for SWIFT, the tokens not being an independent currency. Is that about right?

Crashing upwards, perhaps, but I think bitcoin will hold it's own. It has worldwide niche appeal as Internet money for the people that all attempted replacements have failed to replace. 
 government money is gonna be irrelevant when grid down and satellites falling out of the sky, but bitcoin will keep on ticking

bitcoin will only fail when the internet is completely ded, which is almost impossible 
 I think the people who buy the stuff have a say in what currency they will spend. 
 People who sell the stuff pick the currency, not the other way around 
 I'm going to make a second comment, this time about the USD. While I may have moral issues with fiat currencies, and with the direction the US is going both militarily and economically and in some way socially too... I try to be dispassionate about assessing the situation. And I'm not so sure the USD is going to collapse at all.

All my life Libertarians have predicted the imminent demise of the US dollar. Every world event makes it seem closer and closer.  But Imminent has already meant 50 years and I think it could probably take another 20 years before people will generally agree that it is even starting to collapse.

US government debt carried via treasuries (27 billion) is owned mostly to other US parties, in fact 21% of debt (6.9 trillion) is owned to other agencies of the US government itself! So it is an intra-governmental accounting. 17% (5.5 trillion) is held by the Fed, which could also be considered intra-governmental in a way. After state and local government, next is to Americans: mutual funds, banks, private pension funds, insurers, and private holders (10.6 trillion as a group).  As for foreign holders, the largest is Japan at 1.1 trillion, and China is then at 834 billion.  That's about 3%.  Even if China doesn't buy US treasuries anymore, I don't think it matters much.  And if China dumps theirs it makes no difference who holds them from the US point of view... somebody buys them for China to sell them.  When the US needs to sell more, they can always sell them to the Fed (sneaky tricksters).

Of course inflation is the result, so expect it.

But how long can that happen? A long long time.  As of 2022 Japan was at 260% GDP, Greece was 2nd at 177% GDP, the US is "only" at about 120% of GDP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_government_debt

So yes, the world will move away from the USD, the USD will lose value over time, but I guess "collapse" isn't the term I would use because relative to a lot of other countries it will probably hold up just fine.

I expect fiat currencies to all fall together, slowly, forever, without any sudden collapses, barring those exceptional events that come from time to time.

Add to that the 10 year trend of USDCNY has been upwards, which doesn't make any sense if the USD is collapsing.

Anyhow I don't really know what I'm talking about, but all the information I've presented leads me to doubt. 
 But what about the yield on the bonds? 
Japan has less than 1% rates while the U.S. has 5% 
So the interest on the new and renewing debt is going to be much higher on the U.S. debt. 

if inflation stays and rates don't go down (what Jamie Dimon indicated yesterday on Bloomberg) I think the dollars demise will occur much faster inside 5 years for sure. 

The interest on the debt is already 1.1 trillion with only collecting 4.5 trillion in tax  
 If the debt got to a level where it could not conceviably be paid down from taxes, that could cause the dollar to fall. Yet US taxes are remarkably low compared to other OECD countries. The tax take could even double from where it is now without completely squashing the US economy, although that would be severe. Also, the Fed can put interest rates artificially low if they felt they had to do this - there would be less buyers though. It's a scary balance sheet no doubt, and the long-term result doesn't look good to me. 
 This is the Dollar Milkshake Theory playing out. 
 I would love to stumble upon a visual economy simulator that shows this theory.

The Reserve Bank of New Zealand has (had?) a machine called the MONIAC, a mechanical water based machine that simulated the economy.

It's easy to overlook things and misunderstand when you don't have a self-consistent complete theory, and there are a lot of levers and buckets 'n stuff. 
 Why would it set bitcoin back by 20 years? It's just another fiat conglomerate. 
 For the same reason bretton woods crushed gold  
 They crushed dollar not gold 
 And yet everyone has been using the dollar for trade and saving the dollar on their balance sheets since 1945...  
 did the world stopped using gold? 
 When was the last time you paid for something with gold?  
 It's a race against time. If the Bitcoin Spot ETFs can accumulate enough to push us towards hyperbitcoinization before the UNIT launches, it won't have a chance to succeed because people around the world will recognize the singularity and move their chess pieces accordingly.  But if they launch UNIT and then defend it's value with guns in the same way that the US defends the US Dollar, it will restart the wars of the 20th century with 21st century weapons. 
 They don't need to use guns. The market will simply adopt whatever China uses, and so will you if you want to buy anything created in China.  
 That's true.