thankful for spooks in canada and nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8  for reminding me of the importance of non-kyc lightning apps such as #robosats. Decided to ditch shakepay today and will be focusing no-kyc exchanges only. The ux in these apps are pretty rough. Looking forward to contributing to these when I can.

I would love a native client for robosats, bonus with an order book backed by nostr. So much work to be done here.


Buying and selling P2P on Nostr seems a no brainer


nostr:nevent1qqsp56dltc2gevqcz3l6crxddkg5457x4z2z37huqu3mskwan267lcgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhs4dfp8c
DAMUS WAS JUST A WARM UP!


Cash at the post office via bull bitcoin is non kyc too


I wish I could do this in the states


I honestly can’t believe that they allow that


thats kyc’d over 1000


It’s the only reason I visit the post office.


From: nostr:npub1et992lckhexqczaspl43xw28cjpdncv8r220pwjty7utrf8lgpesyp2sxq


this excites me


Funny, I wrote about this just yesterday. I am all in for the idea of #Robosats, but the UX/UI is very confusing.

The fact that there are two offers one with a 1% markup and one after it with a 6% markup is very confusing.

Is the 1% one a scam? Or is the one with a 6% markup a more premium experience? Why would I pick one over the other… or are these percentages arbitrary because the market price keeps moving.

I don’t know how to make a purchase decision. 🫣


up to 1k


Yeah, that's awesome. Not in the good ol' U S of A


Yup works well for me, cause i am dropping bands


Right?! Anything close to this in the states?


find secret sats dealers you vibe with at yer local beetcorn meetup (feel free to ignore me here if u lib in middle of nowhere)


I have used a bitcoin atm, a burner cell works well in the states


Canada is ass backwards to be fair.
Just a bizarre place.


No. I think even the atms even ask for ID now


I would every week. I get cash jobs often, I gotta that cash into coin


You can buy a gun with less ID 😂


Yup


When you set an offer, you choose your % mark up. The price is determined by an API but I don't remember which company. Typically the smaller markups want USDT


Welp. Time to move to Canada 😂


I’m picking up what your putting down


99% of those bishes record and store ur face ser


Lol 😂😂😂😂 who's sellin


Let’s gooo 🔥


nostr:npub1vtlqystr2056cqvuy8uehq5g757362029krqv5axw6gdw37kunkq7ajrhd has something pretty far along for no kyc robosats over nostr


SouthPark had it right. I didn’t really believe it until I spent a lot of time up there years ago.
Friendly people, nice to be honest, but something is just off.
Not off by a lot but enough that it’s noticeable.


Only downside to this idea is that


Yeah, i buy kyced via shakepay too though.

I know I am fucked.


So always sort by % mark up and pick the cheapest?


As much as twice a day according to the website.


Miners should.


I need a weekly DCA cash guy, like a drug dealer. Comes over wearing a trench coat n shit.


I wonder if I can send a money order or something to a Canadian post office from the US 🤔


I gotchu


oh thanks, yes shouldve added per day

didnt know 2x tho, that's more than EU allows! also up till 100k a year here + always some grade of doxxing from the way the app is developed also


jb55 - your local sats dealer, also created damus btw


fak


Builders be building, lfg.


thankful for spooks in canada and nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8  for reminding me of the importance of non-kyc lightning apps such as #robosats. Decided to ditch shakepay today and will be focusing no-kyc exchanges only. The ux in these apps are pretty rough. Looking forward to contributing to these when I can.

I would love a native client for robosats, bonus with an order book backed by nostr. So much work to be done here.


yeah


Nostr should prioritize enabling IP privacy


use a vpn ?


Are you still considering implementing tor into Damus ? 🤔


Canadas retarted


yup


oh 👀


Yes please.


By the way, how much money per month would it take to make the Damus team solvent?


Mean while i just want a digital USD card so I can buy a beer while watching hockey cause cash is no longer accepted


Sort by % markup and pick the cheapest that has your preferred method for payment. They all have the same likelyhood of scam.. which is pretty damn near 0. With their escrow, I can't figure out how someone could scam


If only there was some kind of digital currency backed by a central bank


Thanks.


You’re in Canada? What about Bull Bitcoin through Canada post.


I’m thinking freedom software should have best practices enabled by default.

VPNs may hide your IP address from the nostr relay, but most don’t hide your IP address and traffic from the VPN company, who probably even has your personal payment details 🍯.

At some point, if we’re serious about defensable free speech and freedom to transact, we need to build privacy into the base layer.


I'll throw a Bisq recommendation in the mix for noKYC btc, but beware the UX (and mining fees ATM) is also rough. Good to have more options than less though.


You sir are the man.


I still like what Shakepay and company are doing. I still use em, but it's good to keep a freedom stash.
As an old wise man said:

https://i.nostrimg.com/184a77f508484d674e743ca13cff1f6b8f20db1b19458d6f3988b413536267d6/file.gif


Yes please 🙏


This would be 🔥


Yes please and thank you! 🙏💜


Attacks make us stronger


The things we might all do for a sat dealer like that. #yeshomo


From: nostr:npub1249fafwllr36d55h3vsgwjv6m0ctdqu436cdnwv5dchxpyld4mwqfc7064


Did anyone say Peach Bitcoin yet? 🍑


Wise choices


👀

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Been loving using Robosats for stacking since June 2022 because I'm stopped from making purchases on exchanges in my country - no fiat rails. Grateful for this option as Bisq and Hodl Hodl don't have lightning yet.

Hope you're already connected but if not please contact team at
Matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#robosats:matrix.org


I tried to use robosats a few times but have given up for the moment.


This is the way


hard to say goodbye to shakepay

but I’ll give it some thought


thankful for spooks in canada and nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8  for reminding me of the importance of non-kyc lightning apps such as #robosats. Decided to ditch shakepay today and will be focusing no-kyc exchanges only. The ux in these apps are pretty rough. Looking forward to contributing to these when I can.

I would love a native client for robosats, bonus with an order book backed by nostr. So much work to be done here.


I believe they have a native client, but it’s android only.


I think android is the only reasonable thing. Theres no way apple would allow that app.

The android one is just a packaged version of their web app.


I love Robosats, the UX is pretty nice compared to e.g. Bisq v1 IMO. The only thing that sucks is that most offers require payments using KYC services such as Sepa, Revolut or Paypal. Hope to see more non-kyc offers such as various giftcards and even in-person/cash payment options. Maybe this comes natually with more adoption?


From: nostr:npub1ur0506p6aupyraw2k93rjauxxx98m5x7ek0fdg4qvmrfgu90e9wqx27fsl


You should check out the P2P marketplace project on LN about NOSTR 🟣. Called MOSTROP2P made by nostr:npub1qqqqqqqx2tj99mng5qgc07cgezv5jm95dj636x4qsq7svwkwmwnse3rfkq
The telegram bot version called LNP2PBOT has been working very well without KYC
https://github.com/MostroP2P


there is a new call https://vexl.it/ but i think is just for Europe


If you use nostr:npub168euw93e4cam59llcmydav0akwjk2p4nfy3p85pn22xv9y2jxuzq4s9uaw you can pay with sats to protect your personal information.
https://vpn.sovereign.engineering/


Will mail cash for sats


From: nostr:npub1u8lnhlw5usp3t9vmpz60ejpyt649z33hu82wc2hpv6m5xdqmuxhs46turz


This is the way. 🖕KYC🖕
BullBitcoin.com Post office method is 🔥 and can withdrawal right on lightning. Good rates, In total about 2.4% including the initial post office fee.


"I think android is the only reasonable thing. Theres no way apple would allow that app"

As usual 🙂


👆 withdrawal via lightning works 👌


Be aware
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Pay with cash in mail:

https://agoradesk.com/buy-bitcoin-using-cash-by-mail-with-usd-in-united-states-of-america


 mostro.network on #nostr

If some client wizard want to help...

https://github.com/MostroP2P/mostro

and here...

https://t.me/mostro_dev


lol. I'd easily do that if I knew I could trust the other party though, but then I wouldn't really need Robosats anymore. I'd even consider it if someone I trust vouched for an online trader that would accept mailed cash.


I'd even do it with complete strangers in small amounts. Bitcoin seems pretty high-trust right now. Ultimately that would break down though.


That definitely helps, but they will still have your IP address, if they decide to collect it. You’re subject to their privacy policy and whether they can resist govt pressure. You’re forced to trust the VPN provider — which is not how privacy should be.

There are some new VPNs that claim to have no ability to log your IP, but they’re not widespread. My point is only that we can’t expect normies to understand that they need a VPN and moreover which type of VPN to use.

I’m suggesting that it’s better to just bake in privacy into the nostr protocol to benefit everyone, including non-technical folks.


Agreed. that's why I have two VPNs. At the end of the day your connection always goes through your ISP (encrypted or not) and it's relayed around the world by centralised DNS servers. There is no such thing as a private internet. Unfortunately.

Also most "free" VPN providers are just copies of other VPN services or even just tunnel through poor security of other providers. Naomi Brockwell made a video about this a few months ago. You'll find it on Odysee. Basically 90% on the app stores is just garbage and/or data collecting machines. Selling your information to their partners.

I second your notion of baking (more) privacy into nostr though not sure how to go about that and if that would be something the average person would grasp or endorse.


You send first 😏


Awesome! Thank you!


I think we can count on side-loading on Apple device as pretty imminent at this point.


I wonder if they allow notifications in side loaded apps? Thats the biggest thing I would want for a mobile robosats app


Robosats allow you to optionally setup notifications via Telegram, with SimpleX on the roadmap.
Native notifications would be better, just saying there are plenty of ways to fight back.


I'm glad robosats is growing on you. All other options have major drawbacks.
* Bisq: terrible legacy UX that uses bloated desktop java client with a slow SPV bitcoin node. Also on-chain only, so it costs a lot in tx fees which prices out lower amount trades and causes trades escrow period to linger when waiting for block confirmations.
* Peach: unlike robosats (which uses trust minimized hodl invoices) the escrow is custodial. Also compliant with Swiss regulators so it enforces payout address verification. Not only opens the door to more regulation, it also incentivizes address reuse, which is terrible privacy wise. Also on-chain only so  it suffers from mempool volatility.
* HodlHodl: centralized custodial escrow, on-chain. Verification requirements depend on chose trade peer.
* Azteco and Bullbitcoin: awesome idea but limited geographic availability, so not for everyone unfortunately.


Not if you buy through the post office.


Not sure why „only on-chain“ is a downside?
Buying sats for hodling on lightning makes only sense when you don’t open up channels every time you buy. (Which is mostly the case)
This means you have to open up a channel every time you stack sats, which is more expensive than a normal transaction.


thankful for spooks in canada and nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8  for reminding me of the importance of non-kyc lightning apps such as #robosats. Decided to ditch shakepay today and will be focusing no-kyc exchanges only. The ux in these apps are pretty rough. Looking forward to contributing to these when I can.

I would love a native client for robosats, bonus with an order book backed by nostr. So much work to be done here.


A bit of hopium but.. Damus on Android?🙏


Phoenix?


I spat out my water when I read this....

I'm sure your referring to a protocol but you may wanna rename that 😂😂😂

https://image.nostr.build/c067a05326cd58850832aac647d77033c19b2d3dd03dcf4af70dd34064d5705e.jpg


Yes.
yes.


Shakepay makes it so hard to leave with their free withdrawals in these high fee environments. Gotta weigh these costs against the price of freedom I suppose.

Their recent focus on becoming user’s “banks” is off-putting and their refusal to remove ETH is frustrating.

I appreciate you, nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s and nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8


All non-KYC fiat-for-sats platforms have a limited lifespan given it won't be many years before any fiat transaction is strictly KYC except for cash if it still exists and if you don't have bitcoin by then the only way to get it is to earn it.


more government propaganda


Actually just did that today for the first time. Went smooth, the guy at the counter even mentioned that someone else was here doing this quite a bit as well. Haha. 💥


From: nostr:npub1yqyj6wm2s356xf2c3lv6we3508hczp4sza7wegeraru8lhl7mx7qrhxw0c


We are global!


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡