The Fountain podcast app is corrupt bullshit

It's NOT "Powered by the Bitcoin Lightning Network"

It's a custodial bank account, closed source app, hosted on Amazon, with Gmail verification, letting you insert an RSS feed to one government domain.

Unlike the Arweave RSS system I presented yesterday,
Which is true and genuine freedom and censorship resistance by transcending physical locations with the files served on a 30+ gateway global CDN, going directly peer-to-peer,

With Fountain, you're putting your private Nostr key in a closed source mobile app, served to you by the censorship oppressors Google and Apple.  They use the word "open" on their website, but their github doesn't have the code itself: https://github.com/fountain-fm

You think you're using peer-to-peer Bitcoin?  It's a custodial bank account.
Look at this bullshit:

"Fountain charges a 4% transaction fee on top of every payment you make to a podcast but you can join Fountain Premium to reduce your  fees to just 1%. We also charge 10 sats for comments and replies to reduce spam."

In Summary:
--Not Bitcoin, it's a bank account.
--Zero Censorship Resistance, Regular Files
--Insert Private Nostr key into closed source
--Heavy integration with Big Tech
--Surveillance of who is listening
--Leeching Bitcoin fees for RSS feeds and Nostr, which are both peer-to-peer without Fountain

You're being manipulated to reject real solutions like Arweave RSS, so these institutions can maintain power and control.


Anyone else have anything else to say to this?

I really can't stand the UI, so I'm not very fond of fountain, anyway. But... If all this is true (and it seems to be), I'll just nope TF out of using it permanently.
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All the hype around it did smell fishy. Thanks for digging in to it


Yup. Use Breez for value-for-value podcast support.


Interesting…. 👀


How? I thought Breez was just a lightning wallet?


The icon on the upper left part of the screen pulls up a menu from which you can select 'podcasts'. From there it has similar functionality to Fountain, except you're streaming sats from a wallet that you own the keys to.


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Do you have a counter to any of these points ?
Just asking, because i could counter some. Mainly from a "they already have all that data from other podcast platforms that use AWS".
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I'snt Arweave being used by odysee in their next update ??


I left Fountain.fm as soon as the NOSTR update gave me problems.
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The CDN gateways are run by a different project, ar.io (IO tokens) which are Proof of Stake. 👀


Finally someone who speaks the language of truth

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breeze has had V4V podcast for a long time and was one of the first apps to have podcast and lightning. It has podcast listed on the left hand menu.


I wish i new how to say it like this but some will remember me saying things about fountain that i didn't like the file thing i noticed on my phone all the the weird things a non technical guy cant explain ive been saying dont use fountain
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🤔 Well shit... I've been using fountain as my app for a long time nostr:nprofile1qqswfa547pdmqkerzf2uen3agudc67wxffjmenqpge3dylc006fppyspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgqghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxvmm4de6xz6tw9enx6qgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8qunfd4skctnwv46qj40rct what say you?


The problem there is it’s essentially EOL and receiving few if any updates. Which is a big security and UX issue. The company is focused on their SDK and has publicly acknowledged they don’t know what they’ll do with the app and may sunset it altogether. Love Roy and the Breez app, but just important people know this.


👇👇👇🤔🧐😳❓❔👇👇👇
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absolute fire post and true.


Yeah I think the problem AND the great thing is that there is many v4v rss clients. That's OK y'all. Some do things better than others. The ecosystem is evolving.

Try them all! See what you like. The attitude of shit on X app, use Y app is not helpful IMHO. All of them have pros and cons.

Breez has this yet, but I would say it's not a podcast first app. That's fine. Try it out.


That's a shame to hear. Since the code is open source, let's hope someone picks up the ball and runs with it.


Sphinx was the first podcast app with lightning and Breeze was 2nd. Breeze is a wallet that plays podcast and they only have ones that support streaming sats and Boosts so arguably they are the most bullish Bitcoin podcasting app.

Podverse
Castamatic
PodcastGuru
Curiocaster
LNBeats
Truefans

and those are just the ones that support lightning.

newpodcastapps.com


You ser are the podcasting 2.0 historian.


Arweave? You can't be fucking serious about this stupid ass token shit,  right? Get your shit token garbage project dEcEnTrAlIzEd hog wash tf outta here. It's literally exactly the same issues with all the shit you talked about fountain https://image.nostr.build/489c9a68fa12a1350fc1b2d081b39d49f4af9abbdc7a7735360cb980ac0f4f2e.jpg


#subsume


Fountain is trash, and this latest update nuked my acct. I'm starting to wonder if the team is secretly trying to destroy the #v4v ecosystem. All the posts here of people raving over the nostr integration were promoted by them, yet mine about my acct getting nuked was completely ignored. Its also really starting to look a lot like Musk's one app to rule them all idea. All in all, I'm glad it happened


The Fountain podcast app is corrupt bullshit

It's NOT "Powered by the Bitcoin Lightning Network"

It's a custodial bank account, closed source app, hosted on Amazon, with Gmail verification, letting you insert an RSS feed to one government domain.

Unlike the Arweave RSS system I presented yesterday,
Which is true and genuine freedom and censorship resistance by transcending physical locations with the files served on a 30+ gateway global CDN, going directly peer-to-peer,

With Fountain, you're putting your private Nostr key in a closed source mobile app, served to you by the censorship oppressors Google and Apple.  They use the word "open" on their website, but their github doesn't have the code itself: https://github.com/fountain-fm

You think you're using peer-to-peer Bitcoin?  It's a custodial bank account.
Look at this bullshit:

"Fountain charges a 4% transaction fee on top of every payment you make to a podcast but you can join Fountain Premium to reduce your  fees to just 1%. We also charge 10 sats for comments and replies to reduce spam."

In Summary:
--Not Bitcoin, it's a bank account.
--Zero Censorship Resistance, Regular Files
--Insert Private Nostr key into closed source
--Heavy integration with Big Tech
--Surveillance of who is listening
--Leeching Bitcoin fees for RSS feeds and Nostr, which are both peer-to-peer without Fountain

You're being manipulated to reject real solutions like Arweave RSS, so these institutions can maintain power and control.


Agreed. Never installed it because I couldn't find the source.


nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft your view to these stuff?


Let's go 🚀

Let's go 🚀


I love #fountain simply because I can login with nostr ..   thats is welcome things .. frankly rest of the privacy doesn't matter if you sign in with anonymous/ psudonymous nostr identity ..

Yes - they charge 10 sats for comments .. why not ? Dev is not free ..


As for the fees - I guess you should hate #bitcoin too because there is a transaction fees 😭..


As for open source - it is a developer prerogative.. as much as yours to use the app or not .. but it is NOT a crime - just another type of licence..

In fact pushing the "open source" down everyone's throat is  hate ..


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


Thanks for making me aware of this.


Does fountain let you use external NIP-46 signing devices for logging in? Because I'm not giving my nsec to a piece of closed source software.


I want to host my poddie on open source protocol and have no idea where to start? Ideas? 🙏💪🏽


EOL? I never said that... I've clearly stated we're not deprecating the app. Whilst we are focused on our SDK, the app is being maintained and we're keeping it aligned with the latest lnd stack.


How dare they charge for development work! Everything should be freeeeee!!


Sincere apologies if I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying. 🫡


all good buddy 🙏❤


There are NO free beers :-)


valid concern  .. I am pretty sure they would add absolute anonmity ( in the spirit of #nostr)  in upcoming versions  ..

Meanwhile you may use #fountain with a new nsec minted purely for #fountain   .. only  if you wish to ...   though I highly recommend because I want to support anyone to take the first step towards #nostr .. #goodKarma :-)

  Even in the current version , it is 100x better than using Spotify  ..IMO ..


Yes it is.  However, I disagree with Odysee owning the subscriptions.  The issue is the end-user is separated from the protocol by Odysee's app acting as the middle man.

Instead, I advocate creators interact with the protocol directly using the gateways and a wallet, and then fans can follow via RSS.  We outlined this here: https://simplifiedprivacy.com/arweave-amazing/ar.html


This is true, I do not fully agree with this decision, however I do see some rationale behind it as outlined in that article.  The main protocol is Proof of Work, so you can not get voted out.


thanks for your time bro


Arweave is a decentralized business taking in revenue.  It does NOT compete with Bitcoin for general purpose money.  In fact, Arweave sucks for money with slow transactions and horrible privacy.  Arweave transactions are linked to the same wallet you used for your content, which everyone can see

Nobody in their right-mind would use Arweave to buy a bag of coffee.  But nobody in their right-mind would deny the great value that Arweave offers to HOST a website selling coffee, that then collects Bitcoin from customers.

So Arweave enables Bitcoin businesses to defy oppressive censorship.  Which after these Samarai wallet and Telegram incidents, they seem to be interested in doing.  So while I dislike shitcoin venture capitalists printing money, at least they are doing a Proof of Work single-business coupon that improves my life, with no downside for me beyond education.

We outlined the benefits here:
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/arweave-amazing/ar.html


Depends on what you do with the nostr account.  If you got 100k followers and your entire business and social life depend on it, that's a different story than a random key you just made 5 minutes ago.


lol good one


My mission is to empower 100 women to reclaim their bodies and holistic health while embracing ageless vitality. Together, we will elevate your life force, reach your fullest potential, and trust your highest self.

I am excited and I'm not even a woman.

So we just got the Arweave RSS going for the website, we're going put out some educational content shortly on how to use the protocol to update your domains.  It's fairly easy to just upload, but to update the same feed is a little technical.  Do you have any Linux experience? That's a good place to start because their best wallet uses the command line.  You'd be typing things such as:

ardrive upload "your file name here"


I don't hate fees, I hate middlemen acting as banks.  The issue with banks is fractional reserves that create new money out of thin air.  This warps the economy and creates boom bust cycles as outlined as Fredrick Hayek.

Instead, users should directly interact with Miners and the protocols.


I'm not a socialist, I'm a libertarian.

I don't care if the devs charge a fee to use it, I hate middlemen acting as banks.  The issue with banks is fractional reserves create new money out of thin air.  This warps the economy and creates boom bust cycles as outlined as Fredrick Hayek.

Instead, users should directly interact with Miners and the protocols.


I never heard of this wallet, but you hit the nail on the head. Custodial = dumb. Closed Source = double dumb

The whole point of Bitcoin was to eliminate the bank. Custodial is just another bank.


The free sats aren't free but you dont care
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Yes, agreed.


for example
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I'm not sure that exists... When you say hosting, that is where the audio (mp3) file is stored and played from the rest of the services use rss feed to "fetch" the link to the show. You could self host it with a hosting service or start your own server like start9, but if you begin to use a lot of bandwidth, your ISP might not like that.

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Thats a lot of words for i like my shitcoin bags.


Thank you! Appreciate this info. And suggestion. 😊


Your disrespectful attitude doesn't change the underlying fact that self-custody self-liquidity Bitcoin lightning is harder and more expensive to use for a new user than alternatives.  Since when is it logical to call better products shit?

You've only demonstrated the ability to type the word shit, with no real argument.  I predict your next strategy will be to walk away as though engaging with real debate was beneath you, as a cover for your pathetic logic.


There's no debating shitcoiner logic. Have fun cooking trying to pretend your platform is "decentralized" but yet is a business making entity? Like dude those 2 things are diametrically opposed and a literal contradiction. With some token that fluctuates in value arbitrarily,  regardless of whatever purpose you're purportedly espousing it does. THERE'S NO NEED FOR A FREE FLOATING TOKEN TO INCENTIVIZE SHIT THAT'S WHAT MONEY DOES.


Bell curve meme:
Left: "I like fountain"
Middle: "Fountain is imperfect, i made a better one using shitcoins."
Right: "I like fountain."


It's code that functions by taking in revenue and paying out in a trustless way.  That's a business without a manager.

Bitcoin "Core" had a core team of devs too, (who did nothing but purposefully wreck it) so just having devs doesn't make it centralized unless you're saying Bitcoin is/was centralized as well.

Further, Bitcoin is free floating also, as are all assets including the US dollar.  Value is subjective and exists in the mind of consumer.  This can not be fixed in time.


would rather use FOSS software with an open shitcoin
than a closed source banking app that claims to be sending my btc around.


But the entire notion of a token needed to secure data from a view that it isnt MONEY is the problem. The token is needed to use to secure your data on chain, therefore speculative persons will hold the supply for the sake of token appreciation vs what it is being used for. No shit value is subjective.

Ahh there it is mask off moment for you bitcoin core devs wrecked bitcoin? Got some bitcoin derangement syndrome.  Good luck holding your shitcoin bags bud.


The Fountain podcast app is corrupt bullshit

It's NOT "Powered by the Bitcoin Lightning Network"

It's a custodial bank account, closed source app, hosted on Amazon, with Gmail verification, letting you insert an RSS feed to one government domain.

Unlike the Arweave RSS system I presented yesterday,
Which is true and genuine freedom and censorship resistance by transcending physical locations with the files served on a 30+ gateway global CDN, going directly peer-to-peer,

With Fountain, you're putting your private Nostr key in a closed source mobile app, served to you by the censorship oppressors Google and Apple.  They use the word "open" on their website, but their github doesn't have the code itself: https://github.com/fountain-fm

You think you're using peer-to-peer Bitcoin?  It's a custodial bank account.
Look at this bullshit:

"Fountain charges a 4% transaction fee on top of every payment you make to a podcast but you can join Fountain Premium to reduce your  fees to just 1%. We also charge 10 sats for comments and replies to reduce spam."

In Summary:
--Not Bitcoin, it's a bank account.
--Zero Censorship Resistance, Regular Files
--Insert Private Nostr key into closed source
--Heavy integration with Big Tech
--Surveillance of who is listening
--Leeching Bitcoin fees for RSS feeds and Nostr, which are both peer-to-peer without Fountain

You're being manipulated to reject real solutions like Arweave RSS, so these institutions can maintain power and control.


Write some code and make an alternative.


It's your subjective view that data isn't needed to be stored on-chain.  As governments crack down, as what just happened with Telegram, the need for data to be removed away from a single company or location is a need that SOME desire.

This is the purpose of Nostr, but Nostr relays don't store images, video, audio files.  Now can they using Bitcoin?  Sure, but that's not programmed into it.  Therefore, it requires trust.  Trust is centralized.

Further, Nostr relays are centralized as admitted by Fiatjaf on his Cloudflare blog:
https://fiatjaf.com/87a208d9.html

On the other hand, with Arweave, all the gateways are the same with content, but different ISPs and coordinators.  This is clearly objectively more decentralized than Nostr's Cloudflare and Hetzner relays.

Further, you make no reference to Nostr or the entire internet's dependence on Cloudflare.  I suppose you think it's good that this one company controls and sees all data?

And finally regarding your speculation point,
Bitcoin also has speculation, as does anything with value.  You're talking right now using an electronic device, one COULD speculate on electronics.  Does this mean there is no value in electronics?


Is this an altcoin?


nm, saw your other replies. Interesting project


thanks for your time bro.  love that aliens movie with your avatar guy


I didn't know all the details, but it never passed the sniff test for me. Seemed like one if the many scams out there luring people in with the promise of "free" sats.

Thanks for digging into it!


"Have fun cooking trying to pretend your platform is "decentralized" but yet is a business making entity"

Do you have extra chromies homie?
There is no contradiction whatsoever


100%. i neither use their app nor would i ever import my nsec there. its remarkable how every time when they attend a podcast show no one ever is going to ask them why their app is closed-source. totally staged. and i already noticed that so far they dodged every question on nostr regarding the closed-sourceness


Love Breez 💙