LN zaps were the scenic route we needed to arrive to ecash zaps


:justright:


nostr:npub1tm99pgz2lth724jeld6gzz6zv48zy6xp4n9xu5uqrwvx9km54qaqkkxn72 and cashu.me very foward and advanced in that direction friend. Hope to see soon #Cashu in  nostr:npub1w0rthyjyp2f5gful0gm2500pwyxfrx93a85289xdz0sd6hyef33sh2cu4x


What have they implemented? I haven’t seen any ecash zap events


And nostr:npub1lrnvvs6z78s9yjqxxr38uyqkmn34lsaxznnqgd877j4z2qej3j5s09qnw5 thought being self custodial with lightning was difficult.


Yeah, but then that’s still the typical ln zaps, we’re talking about ecash zaps


And it’s trusted model 😏 https://image.nostr.build/35500cc5e8fa1d23a15f53ce3048dd7598fb62d6e4444938ae379784ca8b9831.jpg


lol it’s not difficult if you know how to use bitcoin and lightning. It’s just expensive and difficult for the other 99.9999999% of the world who we want to onboard to nostr. Ecash is custodial lightning with more steps. It doesn’t solve anything for those who want easy self-custody so it’s incorrect to even bring it up.


nostr:npub12r0yjt8723ey2r035qtklhmdj90f0j6an7xnan8005jl7z5gw80qat9qrx you discovered this before it was cool. You’re a real OG🤙🏻


let’s do it, ecash native zaps!


Yes


My point is that if self custody for everyone is the goal this is going the wrong direction.

I support individual self custody for all and want to  see more of the devs working on solutions that make that easier instead of another custodial solution.

I'd be working on ark right now if I were a dev, but I'm not.


Individual self custody is a great thing. It’s also unnecessary for pocket change amounts of money. Decide your own risk levels of course, what you’re comfortable losing. But it’s foolish to demand that people use 100% only self custodial solutions when they’re sure to lose more money in the process than they would leaving a few bucks on a custodial wallet or mint.


Zaps are a perfect usecase for ecash. You can recieve offline, and then exchange them for LN bitcoin immediately on logging in, if you don't trust the mint.


What‘s the advantage of using ecash unless users are on the same mint?


Individual full self custody zaps is at least possible with LN but isn't with ecash.

I do understand the tradeoffs, I use alby for zaps even though I run my own lightning node as anyone can look and see.

The community seems to have moved away from the idea of staging custody and security based on amount to all or nothing in the posts I read. I'm happy with staging, it is an effective and pragmatic approach. I want devs to work on making it easier to self custody smaller higher turnover amounts instead of constantly swapping out one custodial solution for another. It is an illusion of progress where there is only wasted effort.


Holesail is truly peer to peer and does not need centralised servers.

Also make your connectors strong, long and super random or use auto generated random keys, that will prevent collision.


Zap ‘em⚡


How?
When I type “holesail holesailMCServer420” and then send a GET request to localhost:8989, how does it find the ip address of the server that used the same connector?
Also, can the connector be a public-private keypair or a string/string-hash pair? Because I want others to send requests to my server without being able to try taking over other peoples’ the requests.


Would be really cool to have an nostr:npub1aghreq2dpz3h3799hrawev5gf5zc2kt4ch9ykhp9utt0jd3gdu2qtlmhct app that creates reverse-proxy to the LNBits app, and some instruction how to build a project on Vercel or Firebase with a lambda function that forwards every request to your home LNBits.

The major pain with LNBits behind NAT is to actually let others use it outside your home WIFI.


/subscribe (to this thread, lol)


When you do holesail CONNECTOR, it generates a hash that is also your location in the distributed hash table, atm there are two public nodes run by hopepunch team which lets you in on the mesh network of peers.

Anyone can run a public nodes, and it's only used for initially finding first few peers after that other peers tell you where your "peer" is located.

To stop people from taking over, you need to use key, which are automatically generated.

holesail --live 5000

will give you a key


I have not used umbrel but I can look into it 🤔


in the meantime, it can always be easily installed by ssh'ing in. although id imagine getting it working with containers is a pain


Would also be a great place to drop the video of that dude breaking down Kademlia. Actually, I have it saved lol https://youtu.be/1QdKhNpsj8M?si=iyBPHCuwPld9SLm6


Onward 🫡


LN zaps were the scenic route we needed to arrive to ecash zaps


Yes bro!!!


Exactly!