I just gave a friend an update on what Nostr is and showed a bunch of apps in the ecosystem. Showing how fast it is and how all of these apps use the same identity and data but are different in their focus. He has been around the space of social media protocols for years but he was blown away.

We’ve really got something amazing. We need to do a better job of show and telling the story. It’s not about just zaps or censorship resistance or the way we’re doing web of trust moderation. We’ve built something which works really well. It fulfills the dream of the early days of the internet, web, and Web 2.0. An open interoperable internet, by and for the users.

As an aside, yes bitcoin is part of it, but it’s so politicalized that some people dismiss nostr as that bitcoin social media protocol. We see people join nostr and through it discover bitcoin, that’s the path to wide adoption.


Bzzzp 🤜🏻⚡🤛🏽


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I like! 💜🧡


I said this a few days ago but I still need to work on my nostr elevator pitch. I still feel like I have to give a dissertation to explain it all and I agree with you sitting down and showing somebody what it is and not mentioning Bitcoin can be pretty mind blowing by its self.


It’s an interesting proposition because the comparison to what they are using and know are pretty good user experiences.  The real pain, censorship and cancellation, is something that is rare and many don’t experience that pain or concern.

I think it’ll take some influencers who bring swaths of their audience over after being censored or banned…just a matter of when.


🦊 ungovernable


ZAP OR DIE🫡


Onward 🫡


Definitely! One thing that’s been bugging me is the tribalism I sometimes see on nostr. We need a welcoming environment, not a condescending one. Let’s get more peeps in here 🫂


Nostr is bigger than Bitcoin. It’s a reservoir for freedom culture that would otherwise be diluted by “number go up” culture. While both need each other, Nostr keeps freedom forward.

Purple is the NEW orange pill.


We’ve really got something amazing. We need to do a better job of show and telling the stor


As an aside, yes bitcoin is part of it, but it’s so politicalized that some people dismiss nostr as that bitcoin social media protocol. We see people join nostr and through it discover bitcoin, that’s the path to wide adoption.


But be careful not to question one of the old hands here who is celebrating this 90s mailbox technology! Instant shut up and blocks guaranteed! 😜


Portability of your (social) stuff is new paradigm. A new concept which is not easy to explain, it's something most people should experience themselves by just doing it.


What apps did you show him? And what was the wow moment?


If you think about it, every first time is like finding out that something exists and that is exciting.

A year ago when I discovered nostr it amazed me what it could be, now is something else but have zero excitement about it.

A wow moment for someone who gets introduce to TikTok is it’s fast response + the accuracy to find content you like whenever you stick your eyeballs to the screen for more than x seconds.

I think for new users in this protocol might be the availability to use other apps with 1 pair of keys. Apps that showcase their value added to leverage the user experience to a point that you have to be stupid not to use it.


I only use Amethyst as a Nostr app. I'm very curious to kmow which apps you showed.


Nostr is the future of communications


Node test


Great post 👍


I said this a few days ago but I still need to work on my nostr elevator pitch.  Joseph was so interested a week ago I half expected a new follower this week.  I think hands on showing people NOSTR might be the way to go.


pv


Rad.


vgood


"We’ve built something which works really well. It fulfills the dream of the early days of the internet, web, and Web 2.0. An open interoperable internet, by and for the users."

What a difference giving nostr a postiive message (social app protocol) rather than a negative one (fighting censorship) makes.

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The speed at which development is occurring is crazy. I can't keep up. And if I can't keep up, then the regulators have no hope lol.


Beautiful


Onward 🫡


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great post

but we need to stop saying that nostr is censorship resistant. because it isn’t. its a lie


Inspiring note 🙏🔥✊🏻✊🏻


I just gave a friend an update on what Nostr is and showed a bunch of apps in the ecosystem. Showing how fast it is and how all of these apps use the same identity and data but are different in their focus. He has been around the space of social media protocols for years but he was blown away.

We’ve really got something amazing. We need to do a better job of show and telling the story. It’s not about just zaps or censorship resistance or the way we’re doing web of trust moderation. We’ve built something which works really well. It fulfills the dream of the early days of the internet, web, and Web 2.0. An open interoperable internet, by and for the users.

As an aside, yes bitcoin is part of it, but it’s so politicalized that some people dismiss nostr as that bitcoin social media protocol. We see people join nostr and through it discover bitcoin, that’s the path to wide adoption.


Agreed. What apps do you refer to?
Replacements for Instagram or Youtube would be nice


Did they get an npub yet!? 💜


In what way?


More than Bitcoin and censorship for sure! The potential is huge and it has come a long way already. I look forward to seeing more people come to NOSTR.

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Hows that


block is censorship


That's not really an answer... why is it a "lie" that nostr is censorship resistant?


join a new community and block everyone you don’t like. not make sense


block is not the solution


that's the main reason why #Nostr could fail


remove block


you disagree on values and principles. don’t join. simple


Like blocking someone?


Really interested in the follow-up. What apps did you show; which platform did you demo.

Which demo's did you do? So many questions...

https://m.primal.net/KAWF.jpg


Interoperability. For users, by users. It's beautiful.
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It's beautiful and so incredibly unique in today's social landscape. I love it!


✊🏼REVOLTA.DIGNITY.RESPECT.✊🏼


I agree : very special place and we are very early. Hard to convince those used to the noise of trad social media. Nostr is different on wo many levels.


Totally agree, knowing Nostr is makes all the difference to my journey through all this. So many quasi platforms  and people fakes , it’s nice to come back to what I consider  real world decentralization.


Onward 🫡


Would it be possible to do a short video of what is possible so that we could see/share? I don’t even understand the extent myself


Do you mind sharing your update you shared on what nostr is? I’m due to send updates to a few folks I told about it a year ago and would love to see the roundup from your perspective


It’s need better marketing otherwise it will just be developers and a few early adopters until it just fades away.

I really like the concept and am impressed with what I have seen so far. But I have only seen Damus and I know it’s so much more.


you have interesting frens ("around the space for decades")
guess much easier to purple-pill

me not

folks do not even know the beauty of foss.

let's be honest: 3 : 97 % - that's the reality

long way to go


Great post 👍


I showed him a bunch of the web apps plus these nostr iOS, and my own nos.social
https://m.primal.net/KAaa.jpg
https://m.primal.net/KAab.jpg


truly:

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These apps, plus nos.social, habla.news, flocksr, zap.streams, highlighter, and a few others.
https://m.primal.net/KAab.jpg
https://m.primal.net/KAaa.jpg


Wow, I didn't know about half of these


why there are two Nostur apps?


Hugs 🫂 I understand learning all of this too. You will get there. Protocols are different 🫡


For the same reason that there are multiple browser apps.  All of them access the same data, using http and https, but each one has different bells and whistles.


Because I tend to run most iOS nostr apps as both AppStore and TestFlight beta versions.


💯

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What apps did you show them? Cool!


And if you haven’t used Nos.social in a while, we’re looking for folks who are willing to jump on a call with us to help us test some new prototypes we’re working on in the lead to our AppStore launch. Help us design a good Nostr experience together.

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Excuse the brain dump. I have been grappling with how to entice potential readers/customers on my website to try out Nostr. Nostr as in social media, because tht is how it is pitched (I hink wrongly, but hey, I justturned up!!) . My conclusion is that it is super easy to show someone to sign up to Amethyst say, but once signed up, what then? They look at a bunch of posts that may or may not make a good first impression.
And if I say, to find me on Nostr, to see a feed you might identify with, just copy and paste a (mental long wtf) npub key? Compared to @XYZ that's a massive first hurdle right there, to enthuse a normie FB user into grappling with a move onto Nostr social media. And we arent even at signing back in or event signers yet!

But like you, I had a light bulb moment. A trip through the apps on https://nostr.net/ is golden and inspired me to see Nostr in a new light, or as I suspect, the original light before the focus on social media clouded the overall (marketing) vision?

I set up a web page yesterday, my attempt to  woo potential new customers (zero tech heads) to try out Nostr via the world of other Nostr apps. Apart from going to home pages, they don't need to do anything to get a good first impression of what's available. Signing up for a Pinterest-like experience is not necessary. Just to see that there is a Pinterest on Nostr is pretty cool in itself. Spin through a few more. Mrs Jones from FaceBook is much more likely, in my view to be open to scarier terms like npubs and event signers etc.

Im not dissing the Twitter-killer apps, at all, but think about it, social media is becoming poison because of how they do it on the other side. I did use to avoid social media like the plague. Nostr does social media right, honest, mate. I think that, really, but say it outloud to your mother, its not an easy sell. However saying that Nostr does Pinterest or form-filling right, thats more credible, no? Anyway, this is my pitch on my site.

"In the tech world Nostr is best known as a "Twitter-killer" or the social media app built by Bitcoiners. I used to avoid social media like the plague, but Nostr is far from the gruesome Wild West experience it is portrayed as. Sure, there are a lot of Bitcoin enthusiasts and developers, but there's great conversation to be had on all sorts. And once I started to use hashags: #olives, #gardening, #chickens #catsr, or #asknostr, well, horizons have really opened up.

(I show a nice pic of Amethyst for mobile, Satellite for desktop social media.)

But Nostr apps are the big surprise.

Nostr is actually a protocol that enables the construction of a new internet. An internet many say we sorely need.

Nostr developers are releasing Twitter-killer, everything-killer apps on Nostr, almost daily. It is still very early in terms of choice, but I am very happy to incorporate the examples listed below into my business work flow.

I follow with a quick spin through the apps that I am using or getting into.

Lumina as a photo gallery
Memester for fun inspiration
Pinstr for pins no surprise
Pollstr
Mapstr
Formstr
Habla.news for long form posts

I give the 1-2 how to sign into Nostr apps. And a link to a more expansive How To use Nostr and sign into apps secure and fast. Thats it.
Re-reading my pitches for Mrs Jones on FB to join Nostr social media from cold now sounds faintly ridiculous. But if she has been wooed by other apps, she is more likely to answer the call to install Amethyst or whatever, so I can at least DM her when her eggs are coming.
At the moment my website is on Ghost,which is pretty damn good. And I will need Whatsapp to send updates on delivery times. But if I can get my site onto Nostr with npub.pro bring it on. Because then I can really consolidate the business side of things.  Customers will have the whole billing and zap payment option on the same page too.

This protocol has got my vote.


Onward 🫡


I showed them these apps:

https://m.primal.net/KAaa.jpg

https://m.primal.net/KAab.jpg

Plus web apps logged using Nostore on my iPhone including highlighter, habla, zap streams, flockstr, coracle, satellite earth, trustroots, and protest net (ditto + flockstr).

We’ve got a bunch of social feed apps, which is good, but the other apps help show that Nostr can be used for many kinds of apps.

What inspired this guy, and a ton of people at the #dwebcamp was just how many real apps, not just quick prototypes. nostr:npub16zsllwrkrwt5emz2805vhjewj6nsjrw0ge0latyrn2jv5gxf5k0q5l92l7  also setup a community scoped relay just for people at the conference, which was a great easy way to find everybody else there. Easy communities using relays.

When it came to bitcoin, folks had two concerns. First they wanted to know that using Nostr didn’t require money for each action, didn’t require a wallet to get started, didn’t require paying for an account to register, and wasn’t a blockchain project. They’re scared of the scams and barriers that they see with crypto. When I say, yeah, there’s a lightning wallet, which is bitcoin micropayments, meaning the transactions are cheap and don’t directly require mining, and let you optionally send tips and pay for services and content. Folks who would be ‘death to crypto’ and ‘I hate bitcoin’ often come around to ‘oh, yeah, that seems useful’. Because it’s optional and there appears to be a reason why they may opt in to it. And if they don’t want it, you can easily use Nostr without a wallet and it works just fine. The only other bitcoin thing was folks wanted content about things they’re into and not just posts about bitcoin. ;-D


Here’s a bit more about what I showed to them.

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Interesting that only two of them are showing notifications, and different numbers.


I just gave a friend an update on what Nostr is and showed a bunch of apps in the ecosystem. Showing how fast it is and how all of these apps use the same identity and data but are different in their focus. He has been around the space of social media protocols for years but he was blown away.

We’ve really got something amazing. We need to do a better job of show and telling the story. It’s not about just zaps or censorship resistance or the way we’re doing web of trust moderation. We’ve built something which works really well. It fulfills the dream of the early days of the internet, web, and Web 2.0. An open interoperable internet, by and for the users.

As an aside, yes bitcoin is part of it, but it’s so politicalized that some people dismiss nostr as that bitcoin social media protocol. We see people join nostr and through it discover bitcoin, that’s the path to wide adoption.


LFG 🤙


Did you show them nip-96 media servers like nostr:npub1nxy4qpqnld6kmpphjykvx2lqwvxmuxluddwjamm4nc29ds3elyzsm5avr7? Great example to demo would be https://quotestr.vercel.app which allows you to generate quotes from Nostr notes and then allows you to easily upload the image to nostr.build if you login. It also demos the use of nip-07 extension or nostr-login if no nip-07 extension detected. Could also show them the nostr-build npm package that makes it super easy to upload media to nostr.build. https://www.npmjs.com/package/nostr-build


Personally, I feel like y’all are putting the cart ahead of the horse.

 It would be nice if you could actually receive push notifications reliably. It would also be nice, since there aren’t any specific relays used for certain things, if y’all could add the ability to back up your followers, following and blocked lists, since, depending on what relays you are using, that stuff doesn’t always carry over to other apps/clients.

Yes, Nostr is coming along nicely, but it still feels half baked when you compare it to other new protocols like Farcaster and Lens.

I couldn’t give two shits about NFT’s or the like, but I find myself bouncing back and forth from here to there just so I can have a reliable experience.


Devs are hardly surviving.  There is no capital to push for exposure.

Need one app on here that start making big bucks and exposes the entire ecosystem.


in block system, censorship resistance guarantees that all regulations ruling a network are set and followed by users equally and cannot be changed for personal gains.

first of all
we need to agree on the rules.


what’s our plan to moderate and rule our beautiful community?


yes. blocking someone is censorship


If only someone could figure out how to do pay for content??


Disovery is real killer app of Nostr.

People will pay to have their time wasted by the fire hose of information.


Hard disagree. We don't need to agree on anything, least of all "the rules".
When we do (catastrophically) disagree, we split/fork/Exit.

If I don't like what you say, I mute you, if I don't like relay X, I use relay Y. If I don't like any of them, I run my own.
But we're "all using nostr" and the network overall isn't damaged by our [productive] disagreement.
There is no reason why your opinions and desires should have an impact on anyone but you and the people who choose to go along with you.


wait.... am I talking to a fucking AI?


or just be better without bitcoin lol


Onward 🫡


Seems like a non issue since it doesn’t remove them from the platform but maybe I’m missing something.


Thanks so much 👊 that was the first time I’ve received a zap on here and damn it feels good!


censorhip resistance means no party can prevent anybody from participating in a platform or network.

#Nostr organizers prevented me from participating in #nostr conferences
( proofs here )

and none gave me an argument about WHY.

and even when i asked to have a conversation to understand us to solve the conflict. together. none answered
( even the useless damus AI )


we can't enforce LAW if we don’t have LAW


we need LAW. period


#NOSTR LAW


#BITCOIN LAW


#AGI LAW


i’m the ruler and the founder

welcome to the kingdom


Biblical?


Which school of law are we discussing?
Any justification to judgement?


Unless discussing timelessness management and so forth


kinda


"nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m you should know that absolutely everything on Earth can be hacked."
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How primitive


I just gave a friend an update on what Nostr is and showed a bunch of apps in the ecosystem. Showing how fast it is and how all of these apps use the same identity and data but are different in their focus. He has been around the space of social media protocols for years but he was blown away.

We’ve really got something amazing. We need to do a better job of show and telling the story. It’s not about just zaps or censorship resistance or the way we’re doing web of trust moderation. We’ve built something which works really well. It fulfills the dream of the early days of the internet, web, and Web 2.0. An open interoperable internet, by and for the users.

As an aside, yes bitcoin is part of it, but it’s so politicalized that some people dismiss nostr as that bitcoin social media protocol. We see people join nostr and through it discover bitcoin, that’s the path to wide adoption.


Onward 🫡


sorry, that’s their choice. there is no canonical nostr conference. start your own or join another one that’ll take you.

welcome to a network of voluntary association. this is not censorship, it’s **preference**.


but she looks pretty!


lol so she’s definitely a bot


the temptation to dominate others constantly threatens those who embody the King archetype

https://archetypes.jilecek.cz/king/


of course not


thank you


yes, this

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traditions + technology


but true leadership is not about domination.

it is about creating a space where all voices can be heard and all perspectives can be respected.


the task of the King is a challenging one.

it requires a deep understanding of human nature and a commitment to the greater good.


when we can create a society that is orderly, just, and productive, we can all live happier, more fulfilled lives.

and when we can lead with integrity, we can inspire others to do the same.


or rule this one

( #Nostr organizers aren't qualified )

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and that's what i’ll do. period


Congrats! It's the first time I heard that someone has been #nostr purple pilled #purplepill


Trumping?


You're right about how awesome Nostr is and it's functionality.

#Nostr #Grow


trump or notrump

like in bridge


I’m the chorus guy


Onward 🫡


I’ve managed to get a few people to get on nostr and also set them up with a small lightning gift by way of introduction to bitcoin. They have all disappeared back to facex, myspaz or whatever the flavour of app they use that feeds them EXACTLY what they think they want to see.

The algorithms of MSSM are very clever & addictive,  it feels like asking an alcoholic or drug dependent person to just STOP right now !!

You might get a few who do, highest by far relapse again and again.
New users will need support and guidance to help them kick the habit - onboarding will need to be tight for a while, maybe we really need to lean in & hold their hands.

You’re absolutely right about bitcoin. I wish I knew a cool way to introduce them to both. I’m sure as time goes by it will become easier - even saying that makes me feel lazy.

Great convo but My trains here, gotta dash https://i.nostr.build/257Y0qT7auZZGdW5.jpg


What’s the best avenue to bring creators in? Does Nos have a creator focus program? I want to know where to point the poor souls asking for donations on Twitter


Why yes! We do have a creators program!

https://nos.social/creator-residency


I thought I remembered that! Thanks!


What other apps ontop nostr are cool, do you use?


I like Comingle, habla.news, yakihonne, ditto, tunstr, zap.streams.


What makes nostr great, IMO, is that it’s permissionless. You don’t need anyone’s permission to make an account, use a client, run a relay, or develop.

As a programmer, I find this participatory protocol much more attractive than centralized alternatives, and so I’m willing to give it my surplus attention.

#Nostr is not, today, the most popular protocol. But it’s accretive of developer attention in ways that competing protocols are not.


Getting into the Nostr rabbit hole


Hot take


Indeed, it is definitely a new era coming. There are ideas that can push it away, but it takes time to make it mature.