Oddbean

@Eric Zhang I wonder why people love using genuine retro tech like XMPP, Gopher or web (that looks like web of that era, but doesn't work exactly like it), but don't use modern tech that does the same, but taking all the shortcomings into consideration like Gemini or, dare I say it, Matrix? :marseyquestion:

@✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: @Eric Zhang What kind of reply do you expect? You know very well that I'm okay with adapting old and tried stuff to new use cases instead of reinventing the wheel, and I have of course used XMPP, IRC and all other things that you can only hear about on Fedi nowadays, in their time. But I'm not joining your circlejerk as these obviously don't solve any of the problems we have today — it's just old tech that receives very little attention and isn't suitable to be used in any sane way. However if you leave the ideological shit out if it and elaborate on what makes them attractive to you in particular, that would be interesting.

@Eric Zhang @✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: I suppose I'm weird even by Fedi's weird standards as I actually use hardware from early 2000s, in fact, the least old computer I use has turned 10 this year :marseylaughwith: But despite that I bear zero nostalgia for old software/protocols and don't have a warm fuzzy feeling using them, especially now that we have modern things that do the same, do it well and are actively developed. Take it of not, but Matrix is relatively young, but it can already do things that XMPP can't do by design without serious underlying architectural changes, and of course what it doesn't do, it will, and all the issues will get fixed, unlike those in XMPP. I see zero incentive to use XMPP today other than "Baa-a-aw, they aren't using mah XMPP!" Clients are more mature? But they are still all shit! And I consider Fedi and Gemini both modern miracles as those have been developed from the ground up by hobbyists without any corporate involvement at all. And they both already have user bases that goes beyond some small circle so all of it won't fall apart even if one of the "founding fathers" goes nuts and disappears like Bobby Fischer :marseydisintegrate: