I’m voting for Donald Trump.

When Ross is released from prison and stands on stage at the bitcoin conference in Las Vegas, I want to say I played a small part in creating that moment.

If you don’t want to be a part of that fine, but don’t cheer with us as we celebrate.

You did nothing to facilitate his freedom.


Will he keep his word though?


I’m voting for Trump, too.  Harris is unhinged and is not a good direction for this country.  She’s only good with the childless cat ladies apparently.  Everybody else hates her pretty much.  She obviously thinks we’re all stupid.


He will. Nothing to lose politically at this point. Second term presidents have massive leeway with pardons and clemency.


I hate to be a pessimist about this, but I'll believe it when I see it. Someone close to Trump will have to remind him of his promise. And, pardons usually happen at the end of a term to avoid blowback.


Nuance is important.  I too am sad that he and evidently his advisors, have fallen down the shitcoin hole.  But who a man is as a leader or ANYTHING else is not just one thing.  But  a spectrum of things.  On the other hand voting or NOT voting?  THAT is black and white.  ThoughI respect the choice of people who choose that polarity... I disagree with it strongly.  Then again, I am an old bitcoinner who still believes Monero has value.  I see nuance there too.

That's a big thing for me.  Black and white thinking is only useful in the most extreme circumstances.


I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens near the end but still, with the democrats it will happen never. 👎


LOVE FROM UTAH 🧡


he supports israel ...


Absolutely, Trump is his only chance.


Unless the election is decided by your vote, then you did just as little as me.

I'll cheer his freedom as much as I want to.


Bam Bam 👊


You cant win without supporting Israel so....


Yeah, I've figured that it's about the best I can hope to get out of the election. Freeing Ross would be the most I've gotten out of any election up this point in my short 31 years.

It's just fucking sad that this is the state of our politics and justice system. Quite pathetic really.

And if Kamala cared about even 1% of the shit the left cares about she would have already freed him while wearing a Satoshi shirt. At least orange man went to a Bitcoin conference to patronize us lol


Rather, what the left claims to care about.


I bet you bought his shitcoin too 😜


 I have the luxury of a vote that doesn't count(Wyoming).  But even if I wasn't, I wouldn't bend the knee to the Uniparty.

I truly hope Ross is freed, but it won't be at the sacrifice of my principles.


lol nah


Actually I did 100% more than you champ.


Good point


Better than supporting the Islamic tyrants lmao


If you’re not voting in a swing state, then no, 100% you didn’t chief.


Onward 🫡


I am in a swing state buddy


Nice, you do have a vote. Carry on.


ELI5, because from where I sit your action made no impact whatsoever. Aside from voting, we refer to actions like that as completely pointless.


But Trump teased us with pardoning Ross in his previous term.


#FreeRoss 🫂💜🫡


It is truly amazing how many people care about this one case because they heard about it. Disregard the thousand of Americans that are killed by the government every year (you can't really vote them back), but why is this furvor not for the millions in prison for nonviolent "Crimes?" It has to be this one guy that ran a website? I get it. It's unjust but so is everyone in prison for tax evasion.(many bitcoiners just haven't been caught yet.)

You are being manipulated.

This feels like that Transgender bathroom fracas a couple years ago. There are so many issues to focus on but right now everyone has to have an opinion on which bathroom trannies get to use.

 You are being manipulated.

The TV, influencer, podcast, or presidential candidate said: YOU HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THIS AND I WILL MAKE WHAT YOU WANT HAPPEN!

You are being manipulated.

It's tragic that this programmer was put in prison but unless you are the prison guard, the judge sentencing, the appeals board denying, the president pardoning, or Ross himself. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

You are being manipulated.


If it must be a binary issue, I usually ask myself who I'd rather rather my family be captured by. That always helps me pick a side if nothing else will.

I'm an atheist, but I'd pick the Jews over any militant Muslim group. They're both retarded, but I'd rather live in Israel.


You're deluded. Whatever you think you did, you are a hypocrite for speaking like this.


How


There were no explicit promises made. It was always a longshot in term 1


No, it isn't... You can just not support either. Ancap and still doing the better of two evils routine?


This isn’t hard. You did 0% (not voting) I did 100% (voting). Doing nothing is not the same as doing something.


retard


You voting has no connection to that outcome.


I'm not going to back down from people professing their hopelessness from the back row, and neither should you, nostr:nprofile1qqsp4lsvwn3aw7zwh2f6tcl6249xa6cpj2x3yuu6azaysvncdqywxmgprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvq9n8wumn8ghj7enfd36x2u3wdehhxarj9emkjmn99ah8qatzx9e8gmr3vdsnsu3kv96hjcthx4hr26pnds6ngv3jv3kngumj0y6kg7nxv4jngd3exen8zefcwvm8zem4v34hxdmydf6xvuelvfex7ctyvdshxapaw3e82egpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejs5mzk3a.

There is no shame in voting for what you think is the least shitty option. Making the best of an awful situation, even when you know the odds are stacked against you, is exactly what being American means. Some of the people in your comments would have yielded to the Brits on "principle."

Just sitting in the corner pouting while politicians run wild definitely isn't going to change anything either. Fuckem. At least we will have tried to correct at least one wrong.


Exactly.


Thanks, I was wondering how I should refer to you.


First, by trying to bludgeon people into voting - or bludgeon people into anything. Second, by belittling someone after judging them and yourself and deciding you're superior. There is no superior. Respect people's opinions and decisions.


Go home jack


Don't tell me what to do.


Your action made no impact on the world. In what sense is that actually doing something?

If the world is going to be exactly the same regardless of the action you take, then there was no point in taking it and you deserve no credit for the outcome.

That you have to vote to be entitled to an opinion is some of the lowest IQ state propaganda out there.


1. Free speech and persuasion are part of a free market. I find it hard to imagine that anyone is “bludgeoned” by my rhetoric.

2. I didn’t belittle anyone.

3. Some opinions are superior to others. Not everything is equal.


Actually my action does have an impact since I am in a battleground state and a handful of states like mine will decide the outcome of the election.

The impact is marginal sure, but I said that in the original post. I’m doing a “small” thing to help Ross.


Ironic. Why even vote, then? If you're so sure you're correct, then from your perspective it would be correct to use force in the political process. So do it. And yes, you belittled that guy, and I see you belittling others I'm this thread. Well, have at it, we have free speech here. But don't get offended if someone tells you you're a hypocrite.


EXACTLY this. Lolbertarians can’t seem to get out of their own way. That’s why they always lose


Onward 🫡


I’m voting for Donald Trump.

When Ross is released from prison and stands on stage at the bitcoin conference in Las Vegas, I want to say I played a small part in creating that moment.

If you don’t want to be a part of that fine, but don’t cheer with us as we celebrate.

You did nothing to facilitate his freedom.


Trump won in 2016 by about 70k votes, iirc, and that was one of the tightest elections ever. No election has ever been decided by a single vote in American history. There are thousands of elections every year.

No single vote has ever or will ever matter. You're just LARPing, which you're perfectly entitled to do, but don't confuse it with doing something meaningful.


100% as usual they have things backwards.


I didn’t belittle anyone.

Nothing I said is hypocritical.


Amen to that brother.

I wish more "bitcoin maxis" with TDS had this kind of common sense.

Not voting accomplishes fuck all

There might be a time for that, but it's not this time

Kamala will force relocation for most bitcoiners in North America


If the 70,000 people were people who thought like you then he wouldn’t have won. Every one of those 70k votes mattered.


The arguments about losing the popular vote while winning the electoral college is also an attack vector I would like to not have to listen to this cycle. The more votes the better this time around to dispell doubts. Stack em up!


#BeRoss

Ross wrote and ran freedom tech. Whatever you choose to do, be more like Ross and choose to take peaceful action.

#freedomTech

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Unless Trump goes back on his word (which he’s done before) and you abstained from voting and kept stacking sats to help take power from the uniparty government. In which case you would have probably done more for Ross and countless millions of others who’ve been wrongly jailed by a crooked oppressive government


Yeah it’s a dealbreaker for me, but I do wonder if he and ppl like Kennedy are just careful to express support for Israel because they’ll be blocked from entering the White House otherwise


Checks notes 📝 and you’re wrong 😑

Over 600,000 have signed to free Ross!

WIDESPREAD SUPPORT FOR CLEMENCY

Over 250 organizations, eminent individuals & leaders have voiced support.

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This is a bullshit false dichotomy.

And also if you believe politicians campaign promises, you're a fucking idiot.


I will do as much cheering as I damn well want...   enjoy the high horse.


And yet you won’t do anything to free Ross.


Trump won't do anything things for Ross.  just another lie


No, 69997 of them could have just stayed home. That's the opposite of mattering.


I put money on it thank you.  I have supported his defense fund and have been a long time advocate of his situation.  All of that without requiring the encumbrances of a politician or party.  I am glad we agree on Ross but you can find someone else to advise on how they can best support him.  I am not the one.   Thank you.


I’m done with this autistic argument. See you around.


I feel confident he will. Wanna bet on it?


So you did a bunch of things to help him, but won’t vote to free him because of your principles?

Why?


Happy LARPing


A couple obvious ones off the top of my head.  Ross's freedom is not on the ballot.  Trump says a lot of things and unique to him... he had 4 years to do this task you are confident he will do in the future.  I don't care who you vote for and I still think it is "cool" to vote... I just don't think Ross is on the ballot so I would rather donate to his cause than pretend any politician let alone the orange one will address the issue.  Good day


I don’t support either. I would however much rather live in Israel than in Palestine. I know that Muslims tend to do much more extreme things than Jews or Christians in the current age.


He very much is on the ballot though in a way he was not before. Trump never made a campaign promise about Ross in 2016 or in 2020.

2024 is different.


I’m voting for Donald Trump.

When Ross is released from prison and stands on stage at the bitcoin conference in Las Vegas, I want to say I played a small part in creating that moment.

If you don’t want to be a part of that fine, but don’t cheer with us as we celebrate.

You did nothing to facilitate his freedom.


I'm voting Trump as well.  I wasn't originally a Trump supporter in the 2016  primary, but I voted for him because I didn't want Hillary.  I was impressed with how often he came through on his campaign promises during his first presidency.  I have no doubt he will continue that trend in his second presidency.  I fear how bad things will be if we get four more years of this current regime.  I don't want to find out.


Hey AI draw thingy, set Hodl as Charlie Brown and Trump as lucy holding Ross' Jail Key as the football.....


I will continue to vote with my economic energy and you can arrive at the location they tell you and pick 1 of the people they let you pick from and we can both go back to our "freedoms" and wait to see what happens.  I will cheer as hard as I want when he walks free regardless of the goat paths you or I take to wish for a better outcome.  A small injustice  will have been corrected when that day comes.  I don't need to have an orange stained hand to get there.  Also I happen to sit on a part of the planet that because of the way that the "system" works  my vote will not impact the outcome.  so I found the way that works for me.    Assume others have done the same..


You didn’t respond to my claim.


if your claim was that he was on the ballot. or that 2024 is different ...  I did respond...to the claim and more..  sorry if it is not obvious    I do wonder how you bought in so hard.  but that is your journey


Bitcoiner’s who support Trump aren’t bought into anything. Trump isn’t using us, we’re using Trump.


Yeah. I have been watching....  Great job, keep it up    /eof. https://m.primal.net/KZnd.jpg


Yeah, what did your principles ever do for you?


He is a posh yuppy scared to vote for Trump


If you don’t think voting matters you’re an idiot


So does everywhere you spend money with in the U.S shut up


I guess picking one single person your vote has >0% chance of having a positive effect for
its one way to make a decision.

opt out and build tools to route around the man.
if you want to free Ross that is how it done.

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Only two types of people would vote for Harris

1. Homo/Transsexuals
2. The incompetent/politically ignorant


here some sats
please don't breed


have fun with your crypto and everything else you're playing with


I'm voting for Donald Trump because of the rape, lying, stealing, and rape.

(Relax, it's just a joke; who can name the reference?)


the comments on your last couple posts🤯🤯


Lots of autism on nostr lol


I will be voting for the LP candidate. I’m not in the “Your vote doesn’t count cult”  or the “By voting you are legitimizing the system cult” it is a fairly low effort act, but If you want to free Ross, support the party Trump was pandering to when he made the promise to free Ross. Because, I and enough other LP voters in past elections have highlighted a voting block willing to vote for these issues, you now have a candidate pandering to the block in a tight race. Bringing the promise into existence from Trump’s lips was not done by people in the red team. It was done by a group of people making the credible claim that they would not be voting for him, via the existence of their own political party advocating for those issues. The more votes the other parties see exist in the LP, the more positions they will have to adopt from the LP. There is more than one Ross that needs to be freed. I will be celebrating too, on that day if it comes. it will be something I contributed multiple election cycles in the making by supporting LP candidates and ballot access to form the threat and group large enough to get pandered to. The popular vote total for the LP directly assists in achieving ballot access in some states which makes the credible threat of eligible participating voters.

Have a good day.


do you trust the state enough to know that your vote is counted or is there a way that you can verify?


Nobody knows. Welcome to American democracy.


BUT IT’S PROVOCATIVE

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when palestinian kids are murdered by the zionist trump, will you be celebrating too?


Dumb


imagine thinking the fate of whether palestinian kids live or die hangs on whether the Zionist Dems or the Zionist Reps win!


I’m voting for Donald Trump.

When Ross is released from prison and stands on stage at the bitcoin conference in Las Vegas, I want to say I played a small part in creating that moment.

If you don’t want to be a part of that fine, but don’t cheer with us as we celebrate.

You did nothing to facilitate his freedom.


Hodl, go easy on me, I can’t vote.


I think it’s odd you don’t see that he’s a schemer & liar.

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump became the first former American president to be convicted of felony crimes Thursday as a New York jury found him guilty of all 34 charges in a scheme to illegally influence the 2016 election through a hush money payment to a porn actor who said the two had sex.


Verification is usually undesirable because it opens the door for you to be coerced or paid to vote for someone.

But usually you don’t have to trust the state either - each party has someone in the counting room who will call out their opponent cheating.

With only 2 parties and electronic voting though…


sure. how


What do you fear so much you feel the need to vote on Trump? Really, I don't understand...on the other hand I have not been following US politics that much. I barely know the candidates' names...


If you believe in politicians promises I have news for you


The bet only triggers if trump wins  (can’t pardon if he’s not elected)

If he does pardon Ross you zap me 100k sats.

If he fails to pardon Ross I zap you 100k sats.

Bet expires upon completion of trumps term in 2029


The bet should be a Day 1 bet since that’s the DJT promise and it’s the only way Ross is standing on a stage in Vegas next year.


Pardon or commute the sentence of* both should qualify. Free Ross.


Day one is a political slogan and not a practical reality, but I’d be open to first 100 days.


Yeah I should clarify it will be a commutation and not a pardon. So it’s more accurate to say commutation.


by 2029 100,000 sats May equal a whole lot of money

typically pardons come later in a term

maybe we should say 50000


Onward 🫡


Hope you like the Christian Fascist State that Project 25 is aiming to move America towards under a second Trump term...


MAGA.


lol dumb


If 50k sats is better for you that’s ok with me. Do we have a bet?


!remindme in 4 years.


Ps I should note I’m expecting a commutation and not a pardon.


As much as I would like to see Ross free, I have a responsibility to keep my daughter free.


Wut


Stay Humble, Stack Sats. 🫡


i have seen some indication of this but can U explain ^ this further in this space?  t-y HODL


At his coming home party, maybe Ross will get a chunk of the Trump family shitcoin pre mine:
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/17/trump-crypto-project-allows-ex-president-family-to-make-75percent-of-revenue.html


https://i.postimg.cc/MZFBpdcQ/darth-voting.jpg
VOTING IS ONLY FOR SLAVES THAT BELIEVE IN POLITICIANS PROMISES (AKA LIES).

https://m.primal.net/IhjS.jpg


Politicians are for sale. Bitcoiners have donated heavily to trump.


your vote means nothing if the other team will just forge votes numb nuts


when that gets addressed, i'll participate. until then consider me Amish


well said t-y


hopefully there's never a uniparty


Plenty to fear in the Harris platform, even for those of us not so enthusiastic about Trump.


Onward 🫡


Al right, ill bite, whats your greatest fear of Harris taking power?


Wasn’t his word “day one” though? So you’re already admitting that he won’t keep his word.

I really hope he frees him day 1, but I don’t really believe anything he says and have little faith in him. I live somewhere where my vote is useless anyways.


Maybe I should have written in your name…


A quote that feels relevant.
"The press takes Trump literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally"


And neither did you.


⚡Zap⚡


Ancap rofl...


Well because you are western, they wont steal from you, or hurt you.  So it's an corrupted way of thinking: they can massacre all they want, but as long as they don't hurt me its ok!


greatest fear is probably her stance on speech and the role of the government in regulating it


that's an argument i can live with, trump has shown not to be in favor of war in general, there's a chance he's gonna stop this somehow.


I'm glad Bitcoin has nothing in common with Trump. No alternative truths!!


I'm bookmarking this post for after Ross is released.

There are a whole lot of self-righteous, holier than though, know it all, nihilistic people in the comments below that will be eating crow.

This will actually be them, but NOSTR is forever Laura!
https://m.primal.net/LZwV.png

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Actions speak louder than words. In that context I would personally fear Trump more. His actions clearly show a disdain, disapproval and dismissal of opinions other then his own. So what am I missing here?


Muslims would replace democracy with monarchy. If you support Hamas, you oppose liberty.

Before Oct 7, Gaza was known as one of the only places where you would be executed for being gay.

If you believe terrorism is justifiable, you are a low IQ sheep. I love the innocent people of Palestine, but those who cheered on Oct 7 are not people at all. Hamas should be eradicated. If you disagree, you do not believe in liberty.


You are missing the calls for censorship from prominent left wing politicians who are apart of her current administration and will be apart of her new administration if she wins.


Did Trump commit to that? If not, you’re only running on hope for Ross. I didn’t follow the story quite honestly … anyway for me politics is (and always has been) pick your poison ☠👍


Sure, but the exact same goes for prominent right wingers, at least that is what we in The Netherlands see. They only call it "fake news" or "alternative facts" but the meaning is equivalent.


Not the same here in America


He did


Censorship my friend

This should be everyones primary concern

Censorship is the #1 reason that everyone on the planet is STILL not on the same page regarding covid.


You are very nice to Rik. The guy 'fears' Trump

Low T to the extreme


Onward 🫡


I’m voting for Donald Trump.

When Ross is released from prison and stands on stage at the bitcoin conference in Las Vegas, I want to say I played a small part in creating that moment.

If you don’t want to be a part of that fine, but don’t cheer with us as we celebrate.

You did nothing to facilitate his freedom.


He also committed to drain the swamp in his first term, we all saw how that turned out...


The best thing Americans can do in this election is spoil your vote. Either of your candidates are a complete waste of time and offer nothing more than lies, fake hope and more oppression


I would rather the ruling elite class take the gloves off and try to fight us directly, instead of doing what the Trump Saylor Theil crowd have been doing, which is trying to placate us with false promises, while working to capture control of the protocol and making all BTC transactions KYC/AML approved, fighting against anonymous transactions and self custody, etc...

I'd rather a direct war between Bitcoiners and the Powers That Be that the fake-left wants than the subversion tactics being used by the fake-right.


Not trump, but what he stands for. It comes over on me as the most retarded thing ever. But hey, may be I am biased as a non-American 🤷♂, I do not understand that culture sometimes I feel...


Good luck and I wish you health and prosperity than


Neh don't think that's the main reason by a long shot.


Thats the beauty of this country, we can still always civilly disagree against the main narratives or one another

……for now


lol


And I don't even live in the USA👊


So you have a strong conviction he will actually do it?

He also said he would fire Gary Gensler.

Quite a few untruths in his Nashville speech!


What does your overlord MSM tells you about what he stands for ?


I don't think he can officially fire Gansler.


42 sats for your thoughts 🔥


Exactly. Thats what I read too :)


He also promised to build that wall. Not one brick ...


I don’t have enough time in the day…😮💨


😂 That’s hilarious.


Msm?


I voted Obama in his first term to give you an idea of my political leanings.  I voted independent in 2020. (No Clinton or Trump)

For me it started during Covid sensorship on FB. Why can't I discuss this? Red Flag #1
Followed by a lock down and a "vaccine" mandate that terrified me as it became clear that it didn't do anything to stop transmission. very deliberate censorship on Fb,yt,Twitter even if you were politely asking why church is not allowed but I can go to a restaurant and sit unmasksed after sitting.

That quickly grew into social media bans for misgendering or saying anything that might "hurt" someones feelings.

Now fast forward to obvious lies about vaccine injury , Obvious media bias to the point of feeling like MSM is just a weaponized arm of the liberal establishment.

lies, lies, more lies, followed by pushing a woke agenda that was obviously punative towards anything "white" or Christian families.
That was only 2020.

Open boarders, bus tickets,free rooms, debit cards,healthcare  to illegals while we have only $750 for fire/hurricane victims that lost everything.
oh and let them vote!

enforce the law when a white man defends himself on a subway, but not when an illegal rapes or murders someone.

Should I go on?

I will never vote liberal again in my lifetime.

The irony is that the woke agenda crap has set race issues and gay rights back at least 30 years.

#God
#Family
#Freedom
#Values
#FreeSpeech


bet
yes


Already did the deed in NC son!  Rejected the ‘I voted early’ sticker though.  May as well read ‘I wish Hilary had run.’  Enjoy your weekend dude.


Sorry to hear all this. Sounds like a lot of frustration and anger, I feel the ranting through the lines. Don't think that an internet stranger can make you feel different. On the other hand I see things so differently. Sure a lot is wrong and it is not like I have much trust in the current political climate in Europe or US, so I resonate on that. However it also feels like a lot of emotions and convictions got mixed up. Fighting fire with fire, most of the time just increases the fire....I hope you find peace in your lifetime.


If elected, Trump has announced that he will name Charles Hoskinson as his Treasury Secretary


Another posh yuppy


You forgot illegals immigrants.


No he hasn’t


Ok cool. Just to clarify you’re ok with a commutation instead of an explicit pardon right? Because if so we have a deal.


The wall is made of metal bud and there are large sections of it built


I mean I'm voting that way, but not with very high confidence.
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Show proof. Photo or something


I think he did. He's also considering appointing Richard Heart as Fed chairman.


Nice


I’ve had a very similar trajectory. I question everything now.


Fucking permanent LOSERVILLE party. HFSP.


If you think trump is a politician, you aren’t paying attention.


They are the permanent losing class.


I’m voting for Donald Trump.

When Ross is released from prison and stands on stage at the bitcoin conference in Las Vegas, I want to say I played a small part in creating that moment.

If you don’t want to be a part of that fine, but don’t cheer with us as we celebrate.

You did nothing to facilitate his freedom.


That was maaaybe true in 2015,
which is why his administration was completely ineffective.

now he has handlers.


You’re a fucking idiot if you believe that.


here's some sats for therapy

DJT isnt going to save you


Two can play the “fucking idiot” game.

But thanks for the sats. I’m an sats whore.


Google game theory and stop being a loser. I LOVE YOU THO CUZ SATS.


Fiat HODL. Trump has said he wants control of interest rates. He sure knows how to play people. that's all I'll give the guy. he doesn't give a fuck about you, Ross, freedom or liberty. Better than Harris? sure. But he's still a Shepard leading his sheeple. anyone who is excited about ANYONE for president needs their head checked.

Don't forget, Shepards lead the flock away from the wolves and right to slaughter.


exactly what now? Trump wants to control interest rates. you think he's anti fiat? moronic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFIS7ctSUk

there's your guy


yes.  if he gets out of jail you win else not


Perfect. It’s a bet.


YEP ADD THEM TO THE LIST


Mainstream media


What I also thought is, it is remarkable your path started in the covid period, but you seem to be inclined to help the powers of those years back in the saddle.


Questioning everything is not necessarily a bad thing, I suppose, but it seems that your focused too much on what is happening outside. The work is within you. Connect with nature and ultimately yourself. Take care of yourself in diet (food, stuff and relationships). Know thouself. I think self love is underestimated and missing in this world. Hope you can connect with yourself and find peace 🙏


Ah, yes not reading the news makes one so much happier. News has become a commercial product, so it needs to be sold. It is however your own choice if you consume it...so I stopped doing that!


Thanks Rik!


Lol the major impact is from the jews who own your voting machines and the jews that bribe the people who count them

Da fuck are you doing about them? VOOOTING HARDER BRO ain't gonna fix em


I agree that actions speak louder than words but you didn't mention actions, just your opinion about his attitude.

Actions are precisely why so many folks are willing to vote for Trump -for all his faults - over Kamala. Harris is part of an administration that is eagerly participating in wars and - most alarmingly in the long term - outright censorship. Her words and actions align on govt control of speech.

FWIW because of his position on some of the wars, his lack of actions when he was president, and mostly because of his ties to Palantir, I'm not voting for Trump either so I don't really have a horse in this race. I just find it frustrating to see folks criticize Trump supporters but then just use their vague impressions to back up that criticism.


I don't know anything about politics in the Netherlands, so this is a genuine question: are prominent right wingers suggesting that the government be used to suppress fake news?

Censorship is not disagreeing with facts or dismissing corporate media sources. It's using the tremendous power of the state to dictate what people can see.


Most of the folks that I know would not have lived in fear for several years if they hadn't been under the impression that there was a scientific consensus on covid.
We now know all the ways that various public figures helped create that impression of consensus.

What do you think the main reason was?


They are actually crying that they're being censored by the government/main stream media. It's been quite problematic that even the term "fact" has become so deflated of value that simple opinions are sold of as facts 🙃


I think the main reason is people tend to believe they're own story and dismiss everything opposing it as false. Especially the ones looking for public attention spew their opinions as facts instead of trying to respectfully find truth together with different views. There is too much polarisation. So much that it sometimes feels that not having a polarision or strong opinion is being regarded as the enemy. We need to let go of our egos, convictions, opinions and so called facts to find humanity in the others again.


Yes!

On covid, what would you say helped people form their stories?


The basis is in what they experienced in their past. That made the story they told themselves. Whatever one finds on tv, radio on internet that confirms that is true, the rest is false. I think the neo-liberal of a retreating government, privatised institutions and a growing inequality between the haves and dont haves is what formed the foundations of today's declining trust in that same government. So covid stands not in itself, but rather brings up underlaying currents which where already there.


Relevant:

https://x.com/red_pill_us/status/1847478607888994447


Who cares about fiat. Let him control interest rates. Perfect is the enemy of real progress.
Get out of the way.
Moron


I think you just shouldnt steal, also not from people who think different than you. You can call the response terrorism but you know thats just crap.


hey man. I'm just gonna say that telling someone to let the president control interest rates and then calling them a moron might not be the best look. but I hope you have a great day.


Who is stealing what?


lemme rephrase.  if he gets out of jail early because of something trump did


Right. He’s not getting out of jail without trump though at this point


I don't see anyone freaking out about covid and accepting the lockdowns and mandates without a lot of nudging and hectoring from media, whose messaging which we now know was largely shaped by government officials who have connections to industry.

I think you and I have a lot of overlap - the main difference being that you see government and private entities as two different institutions. Sadly, at this point I see most government agencies as an extension of private interest. At least in the US, corporations write the policy legislation which creates both regulations and subsidies that are favorable to them. The resulting spending not only directly increases wealth disparities, it also leads to more inflation which exacerbates those same inequalities.


Yes, and what you're describing is an opinion by others, which thank heavens you can still see. It can definitely be unsettling to have generally accepted facts suddenly be questioned, and I'm sure you've done enough research and listening to come to your own conclusion about their accusations.

So - on one hand opinion (that you don't seem to like)

And on the other hand censorship - the primary  concern of many in this thread - which is the control of info by the govt, usually at the behest of interest groups

I think you're equating the two.


In this zeitgeist I am leaning towards facts being reproducible, retelling of history is by definition never reproducible. So on both side, both opinions are all opinions to me. I see the status quo trying to hold on by spinning it one way and
see opposing forces doing it the other way around. Don't have much trust in either, if I have to be honest.

I feel censoring has some intentionality in it, which I doubt is completely present. Sure for a part, but again both sides censor, twist and deceit in their benefit. It is more that both sides don't believe the other and through that ignore "obvious facts". So to be clear every side censors the other side, and accuses the other of doing that. So yeah, what am I to do about it? Again, in my opinion, facts do not exist in history retelling. Its mostly subjective speculation anyway. So I also feel that I am much more open to suggestion from the nuanced, independent middle, but these are hard to find these days 😅. And no, both msm or "independent podcasters" qualify to me as a trustworthy source.

However I still trust some state funded institutions here in the Netherlands. Cabinet itself, not so much, but I think that the justice system, bureau of statistics and some others are trustworthy. And here I feel alot of right wingers try to undermine these institutions just because they are "part of government". May be that's the case in the US, can judge that, but I feel that's a shame.

Again my biggest problem with the current political neo-liberal, anti-social climate which has destabilized society. I feel a lot of the economical, societal, housing and other problems are a direct result of the past 20 years policy. So no I don't trust government, but I don't feel the "hard, conservative right" solves problems it just polarises my country even more. That saddens me now and that saddened me enormously during and after covid.


But anyway, I also feel we try to convince each other in the conversation we are having. And that, to be honest is quite pointless (also saying this to myself).

If I want to learn I need to understand. What was for you the main reason you ended up in this state of mind about the world?


I'm not advocating for right or left, and like you I am saddened by the polarisation. Although I mistrust centralization, I have no doubt that there are many decent folks who work for government agencies.

But I'd like to call your attention back to the question of censorship, which was the first thing you asked me about: the two entities you mention are not censoring each other. Misrepresenting, maybe. Not censoring.

Only the state apparatus has the power to censor, and we have plenty of information now on how that happens - deliberately - both in the UK and US. I imagine it's similar in the Netherlands but I'm not sure. In any case, I'm not sure how a political party would censor the state.


Good to be on the same page there. I still think that any form of disregarding information is a form of censorship, but fine to only focus on state censorship. I think in the Netherlands this form of censorship is much less a problem. There are multiple parties in our government, not one with a majority on their own. And there are still enough non-governmental news outlets keeping government in check. What I do see is self-censorship in media and thus being less critical of government, I think our journalists could be more critical, but have no incentive to do so. On contrary even. I also see both uk and us as broken societies, based on information on the internet as well as documentaries about them. So am still feel glad I live in this country, with all its broken parts, but again I feel this country's governement is not (able to) censoring any if all media.

Hope you and your fellow citizens find a way to repair your society.


We're working on it!

Best to you, Rik 🤝


For me it was watching the covid debacle and all the subsequent research that I've done.


Gensler is out in 25. I feel confident about that. I’m willing to bet however much if you feel confident the other direction.


I think we just need to get Powell one of those dope-ass track suits


Did Ross actually attempt to put those hits out (even though it was staged)?

I don't agree with the ridiculous sentencing, but trying to put hits out on people? If true, I really don't get why there is so much love for this guy.


No it’s not true. Also the agents on the case were corrupt and ended up doing time themselves


I’m voting for Donald Trump.

When Ross is released from prison and stands on stage at the bitcoin conference in Las Vegas, I want to say I played a small part in creating that moment.

If you don’t want to be a part of that fine, but don’t cheer with us as we celebrate.

You did nothing to facilitate his freedom.


They don't understand this.
Those who believe in the myth of authority and democracy cannot be persuaded out of their religion.


Guess what? Ross is set to be freed. You know how we did that? By voting.


yeah it was dumb. thanks for straightening me out.