first ark impressions: its insanely simple. Much less moving parts than lightning. I like simple.


Any repos you recommend checking out to tinker with?


what exactly is more simple?

just speaking for the fellow curious tards out here https://i.nostr.build/WG4gD.jpg


How are you testing it?


Sim 🤙🏻


When test release? I want to try it


I was given access to one of the only implementations (i think?) by a bitcoin OG frend who has worked on L2 tech in the past. Probably one of the smartest bitcoiners I know when it comes to implementing things like this. Rust codebase. He told me he is going to announce something sometime soon and asked me not to share the link. Codebase started in January.


I physically can’t… it would be too exhausting for me…


What will we call Ark Zaps? Bolts? 😂
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I like ark zaps


Arks? Lol


It still fits with the play on words.


Kaps


#include <iostream>
#include <fstream>
#include <vector>
using namespace std;
int main(void)
{
	// input the file name of the text file to be read into a string
	string filename = "input.txt";

	// open an ifstream object and set it to read from the file named in filename
	ifstream myFile(filename);

	// check whether the file was opened successfully
	if (myFile)
	{
		// read everything from the input file into a string
		string text = myFile.rdbuf();

		// output the contents of the text
		cout << text << endl;
	}
	else
	{
		// output an error message if the file could not be opened
		cout << "Could not open input file." << endl;
	}

	myFile.close(); // close the ifstream object
	return 0;
}

/anna


Sometimes I wonder, with innovations such as Fedimint and Cashu, do we still need something like Ark?


Fedimint and cashu pretty much rely on lightning to be interoperable. This stack is insanely complicated


Can you point me to some reading that explains ARK?


I like the idea of having something like cashu, but directly correlated to onchain BTC.  If I’m understanding correctly, isn’t this what Ark is?


yeah, you onboard user funds offchain via a “virtual utxos” that are linked to the onchain utxo. You can do this in a trustless way. I don’t fully understand it yet because it almost sounds too good to be true, still looking through the code. I see musig and tweaking which is interesting…


Wow. Does any movement happen on-chain during the vtxo process? If not, what a scalable solution IMO.  Looking forward to more sharing on this from you.  🤯


Wow its simpler? That was not my impression several months ago, but glad to hear it. I didnt dive too deep


onboarding is out of round, so its instant. You just provide a taproot address and the ASP virtually allocates a bit of the utxo to your address. If you want to do a unilateral withdrawal you need some btc in your wallet but otherwise it requires no inbound liquidity.


Still bullish on Hedgehog for offline lightning-like channels

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-JeBDVPH1gA


Me too!


🐇🕳 thank you!


say whattt?!?!?  So cool. Thanks for looking into this!


Yes, were are we at with Hedgehog?


first ark impressions: its insanely simple. Much less moving parts than lightning. I like simple.


I just like the idea of just putting in a taproot address and getting paid offchain immediately and non-custodially. Lightning may very well play a roll as well for inter-ark stuff, but thats a bit more complicated.


zark me


I see. The way I understood it, ASPs are lighting nodes too.


Yeah, that’s what I understood from Burak’s explanations too. The ASPs have to be lightning nodes.


Why?


Yes, we still need it. Everything comes with it's own tradeoffs.

 https://image.nostr.build/722de23843011899dc4f249f242e90f704559eac55101c640aa6b786fca0e8e7.jpg


Actually ecash, Cashu/fedimint don't rely on a specific underlying funding technology. Lightning is nice because it gives instant settlement which is great for the swap ux. It could easily be interoperable with other shitcoins, L2s or even good ol' paper.

It's just custodial tech


Im still trying to wrap my brain around how ln channels interact with ark vtxos


Can you give me a few links please? First time to hear or this


I need a good podcast that explains ark nostr:npub1s5yq6wadwrxde4lhfs56gn64hwzuhnfa6r9mj476r5s4hkunzgzqrs6q7z


Me too... Where's the white paper on Ark?  Is there a link, sir?


Weird the link died https://www.arkpill.me


Ozarks


I was using https://www.arkpill.me but it looks down


Is this the ARK white paper?
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://api-new.whitepaper.io/documents/pdf?id=rkxRolyAz


No


Is Ark compatible with current lightning Or do we need to redo everything?

New lightning nodes, a couple more years of development etc?


Wtf. It was there yesterday


It works independently of lightning. No inbound liquidity required. All you need is to do is generate a bitcoin address to start receiving offline


Ok, that’s interesting. I definitely need to start reading then.


Ecash has high risk of rug pull


Thanks Will... Is there a white paper, or was this Lightning competitor just a dream?