Oddbean new post about login | logout I’m not good at asking for help, but I am presently faced with a medical expense that I do not know how to pay at this point. I have been in constant pain for almost 20 years with bad teeth, and they have begun causing secondary health problems. Because of the structure of my teeth and bones, it will be a surgery to have them removed, and I’m liable to end up with holes where they were leading into my sinuses, etc. It’s doable, but it’s work for the surgeon, and they charge for that sort of thing. The surgery looks like it will cost about $13,000, not counting the cost of dentures. Someone suggested I create a donation page on Nodeless, so here it is. There are countless people in worse situations, so I don’t really want to ask for anything. But if you feel like chipping a few sats to help out with this, every little bit helps. https://nodeless.io/donate/oral-surgery
I have what you cure. All the best to beat you. 🎚️
We sent some, Feel Better and hope you can get this figured out!
Thank you! It will work out. It’s just a season.
You are very welcome, it's what we do.
Done! 🫡 Take care and good luck! 🤙🏻🧡💜⚡
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Teeth issues are insanely tough. Affects your whole body and mind. Really sorry to hear it but I hope we can raise what you need for a better quality of life soon!
20 years is a long time. It’s been bad for about 4 now. Long past due. After my last round of antibiotics, all sorts of health issues vanished almost like they went into remission. I’m thinking I’ve been dealing with infection a long long time.
Ouch 4 yrs is a long time. My wife had a similar issue. It gets to the point where you don't even realize you're in pain half the time, though it's reflected in your mood and energy levels. Glad antibiotics cleared it for now. But I'm sure it'll come back again if you don't get the root (no pun intended) problem solved. 😬
Yes. This is the fourth or fifth abscess in as many years, and the teeth in question are still in there. I am not surprised about the wife. You ignore things in order to keep surviving and functioning, and establish a “new normal” that almost makes you forget what having a rested body and energy feels like. I’m glad she got it resolved. Praise God.
a lot of 🦷 issues post-covid
A lot of dental work went undone due to closings. We probably will never know all the ramifications of the lockdown.
I have two gaps to fill. 🇯🇵 are now growing teeth in patients mouths and using 🤖 for the rest.
all happened with covid know others as well even an article written about this last year
I don’t know where you’re located. But when a family member needed extensive dental work including implants placed, they went to Mexico to save costs. If you need help locating a reliable dentist/ oral surgeon there. I have contacts to help. I understand travel may not be possible for you.
I will discuss this with @TheSamePuss and some family, and we will see if this could be an option. If it is, I’ll reach out in DMs if that’s ok.
Yep! Let me know.
I’ve heard the same. Look up Los Algodones Mexico. Really big for dental work.
100% this @nobody You can get the surgical extractions + the all on 6 implant dentures for much less than your extractions alone in Mexico or Columbia. I am happy to help guide you if you decide to go that route.
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Dental work costs way too much 🤙
I’m in shock. Wife got an organ removed for less than half this. 😳
It’s insane
Having big issues with mine and no dentists available, so costs are going to be high when I can get the work done, so I totally get your position, though it sounds like you've got it even worse than me 😭 good luck with the fundraiser 🤞🙏
I’m trying not to cry over the help already. I hope you are able to find a dentist soon. What part of the world do you hail from?
I'm on the south coast in the UK, in the absolute actual worst city in the UK for dentistry 😆 I almost got the work done in Spain back in 2020 when I had more money but then...yeah. 2020.
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Thank you. 🙏
Man I wish I could stump up the 13k for you ❤️🩹 I know pain and it breaks my heart to think of you suffering/ hope you get the funds soon 🫂
It’s going to be amazing. I’m nervous about the whole thing, but looking forward to it too. It’s a strange feeling. I know it’s going to happen. Mountains are moved a shovel at a time. ❤️
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If your uninsured, tell them and they may be able to give you a deal. Normal rates are for those with insurance and the prices are jacked up.
Everything you need is on earth Pain is temporary, so is joy I wish u the best
If you don't raise enough to cover the expense, most medical debt can be negotiated into a very reasonable payment plan. You can usually negotiate to pay a very small amount per month. Generally as long as you continue to pay, they are fine with the reasonable payment plan. Much different than other types of debt as far as I know.
I shall discuss this with them once I know what I’m able to come up with on my own + the help I get from various sources. They may be willing to work something out with a reasonable down payment.
Sounds like a good plan. Blessings to you 🧡
Dude, try just getting them pulled and leave the few others for surgery. I also suffered for many years until about 6 months ago I finally got them all pulled! $4500 for all extractions and temp dentures at Aspen Dental. Some were impacted where I thought they'd need surgery but the nice dentist lady was able to get them. I put it off for so long but it's been awesome with them gone. Within just a few days I was getting my energy back and my heart felt more normal. God speed!! 🧡🤝
Thank you brother. My roots hook into the jawbone. Already had two failed extractions. 😖 The dentist here said she wouldn’t touch them with a 10-foot pole.
Oh man.. Yeah, the poor lady had to wrench on mine for like an hour but I couldn't feel a thing. Finally she broke them in half or something and that worked. I remained polite and encouraged her to not give up lol I was not leaving with any teeth left! That sucks... Could go to an unsuspecting dentist and let them try lol. Seems like the crack and extract might work since they can pull out the roots in sections. Either way, you're on the road, get it done by hook or crook lol, you'll be so glad you did.. Here's the scene afterwards 😂🥲 #nsfw Thank god for numbing shots! Felt 0 https://image.nostr.build/aa0a35cc8b52eb1f6af9c4a5c689a6fe9b7e766baab7e7af9e0f79fe1eb4dfe3.jpg
Done! I hope you get well soon 💜
20 years?! 👀 Best of luck. 👍
12 actually. ‘35 💡
You need to seriously think about coming to Mexico and get that. I have severe rheumatoid arthritis that led to bone loss and problems all over including losing perfectly good teeth. They removed them all and gave me a plate denture for $500 usd cash. Yes this was 10 years ago but I'm sure you'll be blown away not just by price but the surgeons are top notch all over Mexico with Guadalajara known for their schools of dentistry. Many, many people do dental and medical tourism in Mexico. Look it up and good luck.
Wishing you all the best 🙏🧡
Jay OMG. 😳 Thank you. I’m naming a tooth after you.
You're welcome ✌️🧡🙏 My grandmother has no more teeth left, and she always reminds me, "દાંત સાચવજો. Treasure your teeth."
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Did not zap, went with nodeless. Good luck brother.
Zap. Proof of teeth = proof of health.
Thank you brother. ❤️
Good luck. Finance it if you can and let BTC do the rest. See if the will take a payment plan over 12-24 months so zaps today will cover it or most of it when the bull runs. And it will run. If they won’t and don’t require 100% up front; just don’t pay it right away and eventually they WILL accept a payment plan or won’t get paid.
Good thinking. I’m going to call them tomorrow and see what we can work out.
My mother in law had to have the same type of work. It’s expensive as all hell. Like buying a car expensive. Payment plans are a thing. Also look at international travel as an option. Depending on where you live the same work can be done as well or even better and much less expensively in another country. Teeth are important. Very. 🙏God speed.
Thanks again brother. We will try to look at options if it can reduce the cost. I have a few plebs who will help with names, etc.
I haven’t used them but you could look at unchained as a way to borrow against your bitcoin instead of selling it to pay for the surgery. I believe it’s multi sig so you still see your bitcoin there.
I have this honest feeling that the Bitcoin Plebs can do more for you if you give us the exact medical diagnosis instead.
I gave you what I had. I don’t know what the condition is, or how to put it in simple terms. My teeth have been falling apart since I was a teen. I had regular cleanings, etc and they just started crumbling. A lot of work was put in over the years trying to slow it, but within a year or two, every filling, etc would fail. It is the opinion of the last two dentists I’ve seen that the teeth are no longer worth saving. I have shards of teeth or teeth broken off below the gum line. Meanwhile my roots hook, and the tops protrude into my sinus cavity. I went to see the best reviewed surgeon in my area, and my family has past experience with him (my dad’s teeth did the exact same thing). He explained the risks, complications, and costs. It’s the only thing I know. I hope that helps explain it, but dental is a bit over my head.
Wow you are getting some serious donations
It’s going to be a huge help. I may be able to get something going much sooner now.
That's great. Would you mind boosting our recent zapraiser?
I'm sorry I hope you feel better. You reached out to awesome people! I'm sure people will help. There's also a thing about getting new teeth it's probably expensive but it's probably better than dentures
New teeth? 🦷 Like implants? Or real teeth.
Yeah implants
If you have any problems with your teeth I suggest you to come here to Hungary. We have cutting edge, state of the art medical treatment. A complete "health tourism" business based on mainly dental treatment, balneotherapy, and so on. (Believe me, Hungary is no more a part of the "Eastern Block" as the west called the socialist countries. There is no socialism in Hungary from 1990, we are member of the EU from 2004). So, many of the Americans come here, also Europeans. Regarding the medical treatment it is much cheaper, including the flight and hotel and/or hospital costs (not USD13000, it is horribly expensive). For example, I have a very professional dentist, he made me implants 10 years ago, perfect. But there are many Hungarian dentists advertises worldwide. My brother lived in the US and later in Canada, and he had problems with teeth and eyes too. He calculated the costs and decided to come home just for to treat himself. If you want more infos DM me. I swear I am not interesed in this business I cant get any commission :-) (even it would be disgusting to earn money from other's health problem)
Thank you brother. I will reach out. Right now we are discussing in the family if we think travel is on the table. There are definitely good reasons to consider it.
@ᴄʏʙᴇʀɢᴜʏ 👽 has a really good point, in Europe it would be way cheaper, there are many countries you could consider going to, it would potentially cut the price to atleast have if not 1/3
Btw: about 20 years... I had had a pain in my spine for more than 20 years, caused by an accident when I was a soldier. But fortunately I have been operated ang got titanium implants, thanks to a Hungarian professor who has worldwide patent of a nw type of spine implants. I remember the pain so I feel for you!
Also look into Thailand. It's not the 3rd world country people think it is when it comes to medicine, dentals, etc.
TheSameCat with sore teeth is not the same cat. We’re all rootin’ for a successful surgery!
Not much but hope it helps
Every bit does. Thank you 🙏
My wife has dental issues and we did a dental supplement plan where we live that has helped exponentially with her costs overall. Not sure where you are but you can write off health expenses from your taxes if they hit around 7% of your income I think
I need to check with my accountant, but I think we will be close. I’ll look at that. Thanks 🙏
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Heard of Crowdhealth? You might be able to get it funded through that, but I'm not sure how long you'd need to be a member for that to work.
Crowdheath is great. I'm a member. @CrowdHealth how would this work?
Be well. Hope all goes well. 🫂
Done 🤙🏻🫂
Thank you brother 🙏
Glad to help..hope it all works out for you. I saw the note about Mexico. I don’t have any experience with that, but I’ve heard @Susiebdds talk about the disparity of dental costs in Central and South America vs the USA. It’s crazy to think how different the costs are.
It really is. I imagine a whole lot of things affect things like that.
I have a dentist friend in Mexico City who charges almost the same for crowns as our lab cost for a crown. I couldn’t touch his prices. American dentists like to say that it’s because the work is inferior or dangerous/not sanitary. My friend has a nicer, more modern office than most US dentists I know and does beautiful dental work.
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Definitely look into prices in other countries out of pocket even with travel could come out to way cheaper and still get good care. Hope your able to get it taken care of and feel better 💜. My cousin lives in the states but has gone to Brazil to get some costly dental work done and it has saved him a lot of money.
I am so much happier after having the rest of my teeth pulled last year. I spent far too much time in pain due to one problem or another. It's an inconvenience, for sure, and I was hesitant to have it done, but it's much better not having the pain.
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I know everyone is saying go out of the US to have this done but what they’re not considering is that this will take 9-12 months, requiring at least 4-8 appointments. May require sinus lifts, etc. fitting dental appliances, creating crowns for implants, the abutments, this is not an overnight process. This is months, and months, and months of trial and error. It may be cheaper but the constant travel is something to consider.
Was wondering who was blowing up nodeless the past 24 hours, it was you and the nostriches 😄 Get well soon anon
I've been reading the jaw book. I do things to sleep with my mouth closed.
my dad recently got 6 implants for 5k EUR, it's hard to spend so much on it but it's definitely better then being without teeth. he wishes he fixed it long ago when the issues were still small. good luck with it sent you a small donation
Sending positive vibes , and wishing the best outcome for such a difficult situation. 🫂💫💜⚡️
Thank you Onyx. ❤️❤️❤️
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Have you looked into Free Market Medical Association? They seem to bring prices down for some procedures: https://shophealth.fmma.org
I regulalry perform oral surgeries that sound like what you need. Where are you located? Maybe I can help more directly. Feel free to DM or set up a Simplex chat and we can discuss if you'd like.
Done🤙 hope it all gets resolved
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