Perfect example of how value for value podcasting could be used if embraced by all.  02:28:00 into the episode. https://castamatic.com/+nLR8emW9/?playhead=8885 nostr:npub1ln5q8np5aezhtt7ztv6tah86xk4t3smjuchdvxp0u6uta056204q45xyw6