Protonmail has a BTC wallet?!

Yup it's Bitcoin-only Layer-1-only tied to your email.

So now all I need is your email and I can see all your transactions.  They claim it makes a new address, but this is propaganda if the input/outputs are being used together.  This is the worst of both email and Bitcoin privacy.

You shouldn't be using a web app in a browser for your L1 Bitcoin, it should be in a local wallet like Electrum.  Just like their email, you don't know what's going on in the cloud.  They write "not your keys, not your coins", but they don't even let you use your own PGP key for email.

Further, they called everything else other than Bitcoin a shitcoin.  Even if we ignore Monero, they still don't even accept lightning for their vpn/email.  Lightning is far better at privacy than L1, and more economical.

This shows they are basically a honeypot propaganda outlet, with a World Economic Forum rep on their board, that hands over thousands of emails a year.  Now they can add bitcoin transactions to give context to those compromised emails.

Once again, I urge you to consider self-hosting your email.  Any small VPS is barely more money than proton's paid plans, and we have cheap plans to set it up for you if you're uninterested in reading technical docs,  https://simplifiedprivacy.com/email-cloud-combo/index.html

Stop living in web apps.  You can really be self-sovereign.


thank you

thank you


I use Proton for purposes not for crypto, and I can't even self-host, for some services would not allow self-hosted.


How does IP SMTP sending reputation work self hosting email? Totally agree on self-sovereignty of wallet(s).


Many VPS providers have terrible SMTP sending reputations and mail forwarding from them is getting harder lately.


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


On top of that, some of their web assets are loaded from Israeli #Cloudinary...


Use good DNSBLs. As an independent, the big boys will always look down on you, no matter how clean your IP is.


Their official Proton account did say shitcoins on twitter.  And where's your source on the lightning and coinjoin?


gotcha, do you have some good links on cloudinary? maybe we can write about it


what service isn't allowing self-hosted?
Most banks do, Most social media does
As long as you're off block lists


Or they’re still new and learning. Just because they are a company, doesn’t mean they are not ignorant!


LOOOOL so you write all that then shill your own product?!

Dude … read the room


This is perhaps more for on-boarding/promoting/spreading awareness of #bitcoin to normies/noobs

How can you expect a normie/noob to run their own email server/vps?

If anything, perhaps #nostr should have a built in way of hosting an email address/server?


I’m waiting to see more about the wallet before I make up my mind.

The email is fine. More than fine, a good choice for most people.

Not everything is a honeypot.

Most people should not self host their own email.


Nothing in particular. Just saw some fonts and images weren't loading as #PrivacyBadger was completely blocking a cloudinary subdomain.

#Cloudinary, along with #Wix, #Viber, #Fiver, etc are well known Israeli companies formed by former spies and cyberwarfare agents from Unit 8200.

All public info from Wikipedia, Forbes, etc.

The problem with Israeli startups in general is not of course that they're Israeli or Jewish, but because most if not all of them are former military/intelligence. This is not the case for other countries' tech startups.


Just one point of clarification, they *do* let you use/upload your own gpg key for email. It may only be for higher/paid tiers, but I'm using my own locally-generated gpg key with their services.


I am self hosting email & addy for like 3months now and I don’t think I am ever going back


Self hosted email is something I've been interested in for a while.

But seems like some uphill learning to pull it off.

I was a fan of Proton for a while but then there were honeypot conerns and such. And I don't have the technical ability to audit their code.

If someone is running a home server is there an easy beginning to self hosted email?


By not shitting on another company who isn’t shitting on them.


Protonmail has a BTC wallet?!

Yup it's Bitcoin-only Layer-1-only tied to your email.

So now all I need is your email and I can see all your transactions.  They claim it makes a new address, but this is propaganda if the input/outputs are being used together.  This is the worst of both email and Bitcoin privacy.

You shouldn't be using a web app in a browser for your L1 Bitcoin, it should be in a local wallet like Electrum.  Just like their email, you don't know what's going on in the cloud.  They write "not your keys, not your coins", but they don't even let you use your own PGP key for email.

Further, they called everything else other than Bitcoin a shitcoin.  Even if we ignore Monero, they still don't even accept lightning for their vpn/email.  Lightning is far better at privacy than L1, and more economical.

This shows they are basically a honeypot propaganda outlet, with a World Economic Forum rep on their board, that hands over thousands of emails a year.  Now they can add bitcoin transactions to give context to those compromised emails.

Once again, I urge you to consider self-hosting your email.  Any small VPS is barely more money than proton's paid plans, and we have cheap plans to set it up for you if you're uninterested in reading technical docs,  https://simplifiedprivacy.com/email-cloud-combo/index.html

Stop living in web apps.  You can really be self-sovereign.


selfhosted or not, email will never be private (except in some very special cases when both sides watch out for footguns)

As for the wallet, let's just wait and see ...

and apparently lightning and maybe even whirlpool are coming


You can’t host it in a residential home because it gets flagged as spam then, and residential IPs usually change.  But a cheap VPS can forward it to your house if you want.


You are correct that Email is not private.  However, this is more of a power issue, as many services won’t let you just do a password, and demand this non-private email.  Including many custodial bitcoin wallets which are really bank accounts.

And you got a link on Proton doing whirlpool?


Still marked as TBD, like the wallet and many features in it

https://m.primal.net/JeiY.jpg


interesting.  I have serious doubts on them doing whirlpools.  I'd be willing to bet you on that they will suck or won't come out