Bitcoin
Tor
Nostr
Ecash
Torrent
Signal

What a life.


signal do you mean the protocol, right?


Te cambio signal x simplex
I would choose simplex instead of signal...


Simplex uses the Signal protocol. Signal is king.


so he means keychat right right??


Onward 🫡


Hoo-ah! 🫡


Ecash?


And Whatsapp 😂


This statement is nonsensical. OMEMO for XMPP also uses parts of Signal's protocols, and yet both SimpleX and XMPP allow users to not give their metadata to a single centralized entity that is running a single endpoint with software they are unable to verify. Ingesting literally every user's metadata, while actively preventing them from connecting to users outside of their own service is pretty much the antithesis of bitcoin, nostr, and the rest of that list, message encryption or not.


SimpleX rather than Signal?


Great post 👍


It's factually true.


ditto
lightning
qtorrent (search)


Boring


SimpleX and Session. Tuta Nota.


Lightning definitely in that list


Btnets? 🤔


How so? No federated app is using only the Signal Protocol by itself. You may as well say that Merkle Trees are better than Bitcoin, or Git is better than Bitcoin, because it used Merkle Trees first. Nonsensical to me.


Muting your npub now. Congrats.


Yes, I get it and I think we don't disagree although your words are too absolutist and agressive for my taste. Signal the app itself uses more than the Signal protocol as well. The Signal protocol is the foundation of most modern e2e chats, it's been cryptographically audited and battle tested for years. It's one of the best things that happened on the internet.


One of these things is not like the others


what is with GrapheneOS?


Affirmative.

ul or ol?


it's a good thing


Yeah, Signal is my No 1 messenger too. 🙌🏻


Onward 🫡


Fair enough. Didn't mean to be rude. Just disagree strongly with Signal *the app* being on the list, because so many bitcoiners are still on Telegram and I'd rather have them move to a decentralized messenger than another centralized service.


:blobyes:


Stacked


Simplex.chat instead Signal
Linux
GrapheneOS


I’m also grateful for libgen


Annas-archive.org too


Nice addition


can't properly express how grateful I am for libgen and scihub


When it comes to fiat mining, anoften overlooked gem is working for a small company with likeminded folks.  It’s like a mini-citadel within the borders of enemy territory. Freedom through collaborative effort.


Amen
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Telegram instead of Signal.


Nope


GrapheneOS
Simplex.chat
umbrel.com | start9.com
and in the near future: keet.io
Zeus
Sparrow


de-googled OS for Pixel devices


Element(Matrix)
Graphineos
Blixt wallet


Decentralise, Encrypt, Resist. ✨


I would swap out ecash for LN and drop Signal - Nostr will eventually handle that use case.

But indeed, what a time to be alive!


worst take in this whole thread, sorry


Are you high


CIAgnal


good, at least is not a CIA thing


also closed source, uses a central server controlled by the CIA and is run by a bunch of pedophiles


Google, Amazon, Microsoft & Cloudflare say "thank you" for your metadata you spread around with the SignalApp !

Signal got your mobilenumber, so you can be tracked all the time.

Only Threema allows 100% anonymity !

Check it for yourself:

Visit

https://www.securemessagingapps.com

Rate:
🟩=3 🟨=1 🟥=0

Results (and where the money comes from)

1. Threema = 86 = most secure Messenger (User pays one-time BTC)

2. Signal (OTF / Brian Acton / Ex-WhatsApp) = 80
3. Session (Loki Coin & suspicious Chinese) = 77
4. Wire (Janus Fries / Ex-Skype) = 68
5. SimpleX Chat *= 67
6. Wickr (Amazon) = 61
7. Element / Matrix (Amdocs / Morris Kahn) = 56
8. Apple iMessage (Hardware sales) = 37
9. WhatsApp (Meta) = 32
10. Google Messages (Ads) = 28
11. Telegram (Putin) = 27
12. Facebook Messenger (Meta) = 26
13. Microsoft Skype =10

* SimpleX Chat got 380.000 $ from VillageGlobal.vc = Jez Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, ect.

OFT = OpenTechnologyFund = US-Goverment


Bitcoin
Tor
Nostr
Ecash
Torrent
Signal

What a life.


Monero
Mullvad
RSS
Invidious
Haveno
Gentoo
SimpleX

Anon life :monero: :agorism: :haveno: :gentoo: :eacc:


So if the Owner of a plattform is from Russia the plattform belongs to Putin?
So Threema belongs to Viola Amherd ? 🤔


Onward 🫡


i know i use it by my self, it is just missing in his list


Life is simple.


Pura Vida 🤙


It should be anyways. But, they don’t want you to know that


Monero
SimpleX


Keet


What’s ecash?


Me Likey 😌


That's not enough proof for me.
A US Media writes a bad article about a russian guy.
That happens all day. America wants to destroy other messenger because they want the people to use there messenger.
That didn´t mean that i fully trust Durov.

On the other hand threema is not open source, so for me also not trustful.
We need a fully foss messenger protocol without a company behind it. Only when there is no one they can put in jail they don´t have a chance to beat a messenger down.

So i think we need a real good and safe messenger protocol inside of Nostr.


Signal? Why not SimpleX?


cashu.space


Add GrapheneOS to this list

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Your link recommends Threema but also Signal Wire & Session (and is ambivalent about SimpleX)

And I don't see the numerical ratings you gave


Bitcoin i understand ~
Tor? Is that Internet
Nostr here i am
Ecash?
Torrent?
Signal?


Add monero in the mix and it's the perfect list.


Yes, because if he doesn't do what Putin demands, his ass will be jailed or worse. That's the problem with having any CEO or single point of failure.


Who?
He didn´t live in russia.
On the other hand Zuck and Whittaker live in america.

But yes absolutly, we need a protocol for this problems, not a platform.
I guess Nostr will fix this.


Reading educates!


The company and employees are based in Russia. And those assets can be seized by Russia at any moment. Zuck and any other American CEO is ultimately at the behest of the American Gov and can't deviate from orders either.

And yes, faceless open source software like bitcoin, nostr are how we will fix this.


Telegram Servers are in Russia!

That is enough to NOT use this Putin Shit!

https://threema.ch/en/open-source


True.


I know it. That's why.
With simplex besides the king, you have the warriors, the weapons and the castle, surrounded by pits of muddy anonymity.
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Ah so gnu taler is in the same page with ecash. Nice to hear that. I like it.


You are not wrong on this, but it is not the right way to use another Platform which is also in the hand of a company and the goverment of the company country.
Would i personaly trust swiss more then russia? Of course!
But the best solution is to don´t have to trust anyone.
That is why Bitcoin is the only useful money and Nostr the only useful "social media" or also messenger.

The apps from Threema are open source, which in the end means nothing.
I do trust threema more then most of the other messenger, but it is still in the hand of a company which can be controled by the goverment and the server code is not open source, so i would never completly trust them.
It also happend to proton, that they have to control a few of there users because the swiss goverment wanted this.

No Company = no trust problems.
It is easy


Is signal open source? How do we know there isn’t a back door?


I dislike torrents


Yes!


Excellent set up 💪


Bitcoin
Tor
VPN’s( LN⚡VPN or Proton),or both kk
Nostr
SimpleX

That’s all we need! 🔪💀😎🔥⚡


There’s no 100% anonymous nowhere on the internet,or using apps trough the big techs platforms! 100% safe is just that never has been connected on the internet! Sorry  ! 🫠😎⚡


Onward 🫡


yes it is


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Just you and your digital escape routes while the world burns.  😀


Why?


... and #zaps 😉💪.


Don’t forget proton.  And Threema of course 🇨🇭


Bitcoin
Tor
Nostr
Ecash
Torrent
Signal

What a life.


here are some more things you can think about

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Only thing missing on the list is "3 passports" and you're set ;)


Here come the Monero bois...


Hey is there a good source for Ecash to learn about? Thanks!


🌩 Self-custodial zap straight from my Alby Hub 🌩


https://docs.cashu.space/
https://wallet.cashu.me/ works perfectly with min https://mint.minibits.cash/Bitcoin


Thank you!


Cheers. I use it and find it really nice (for Zaps and small amounts of course, its not self-custody). If you have questions I may be able to help. But its quite easy to set up even without RTFM : )


What are the most common presentation layers for these?

https://x.com/primal_app/status/1830989091141492805?s=46


What are you hiding!? 😂


are you really physics phd? nice!!!


Onward 🫡


why signal and not telegram? and which search engine do you use?


Thanks!


SimpleX ser 👀


Telegram by default is not end to end encrypted. Telegram can access and can keep copies of all messages.


Signal was developed at the NSA headquarters and sponsored by tens of millions USD per year until recently.

All things considered, it is wise to keep distance. From a western perspective, even telegram has likely more privacy than signal and whatsapp (same algorithm).

We're at nostr, promote 0xchat.


Ecash?


Damn right
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Bitcoin
Monero
Nostr
Session
Torrent
Linux


Everything is very complicated.


The best evidence for Signal vs Telegram is responses to subpeonas from courts, which has repeatedly shown that Signal has very little info be comparison.


Linux and Start9 for me.


That's a great set of skills! Now you can enter the dungeon and farm your life in peace... for now, haha.


Excellent! 😀


why so slow?


I zzzzzapped you ! ⚡


Fuck ecash


Also matrix home server on umbrel


What makes Signal better choice than Sphinx?


When is someone going to develop a protocol that combines Bitcoin and Torrents to incentivise decentralised content storage and delivery…


It is the other way around. They already get all necessary info from Signal and Whatsapp directly. If it really was private, the mainstream and govs would be chasing and badmouthing signal like they do with telegram.

The NSA museum takes pride on planting exploits that go for decades until being exposed and admitted.


I wonder too. Article by  nostr:npub1xapjgsushef5wwn78vac6pxuaqlke9g5hqdfjlanky3uquh0nauqx0cnde

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/durabit-incentivizing-torrent-seeding-with-bitcoin


Get paid in sats to seed things 🤔


Yes!!!


Bitcoin
Tor
Nostr
Ecash
Torrent
Signal

What a life.


Better then into Bidens/Deep States.


You really think that any corporation that is located in USA or EU is not getting your whole data? 😄


I hope something like this becomes the foundation of the internet to host all of the content in a way that can’t be stopped

Decentralised CDN to host websites, stores, media etc.

Think Silk Road that can’t be shutdown and there’s no webmaster to arrest. It’s just a stack of protocols


Thanks very much for your reply and your perspective.


With data sharing I do 100% agree. But Telegram having a backdoor, not so sure.


Curious if anyone is using keet?


lots are