How to trend on Primal:

1) Find meme that's trending already.
2) Post that same meme.

😂🤦♂ https://image.nostr.build/0bae6aa1f1fe75142e11a09cab85fe93bf00831525849014effd39e8aa05ed96.jpg


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Don't worry, this is why plebs exist, to give material for influencoors to boost their engagement.


😂😂 information wants to be free. Right?


Indeed. Apparently influencers also like engagement for free.


It's our memes
https://image.nostr.build/268d6116a21a1ecc51a6b87c68aed9088d6c5a1d59fa8d117424589cebf2026e.jpg


I’m new to this, but why not boost someone else’s meme? Don’t they deserve the recognition?


Always 😂🤣


wen npub in nostr.build metadata -> split zaps for og poster


Influencoors are bullish on themselves
https://media1.tenor.com/m/4bzQoQn44M4AAAAd/judgemental-aristocrat.gif


Soon™


though wouldn't this be as easy as ever so slightly cropping/altering the image and boom, you have a "new" image?


lol wen Primal fixing their trending feed so the same 10 people don't get boosted into it every time they post literally anything? 🤣


I endorse this.


It's also solved by simply being a decent human being


Lol if its not on the same relay does it count 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣


Sure but honor system if you don't wanna be the person that steals w/o credit


Primal is all the same relay 🤣


People need to stop boosting them!


yeah

it's sucky

who posts > what gets posted rn

i guess i miss in that regard compared to reddit. you got judged post by post, instead of based on your reputation.

0 follower nym take = dorsey take, if they are the same take


i guess miss reddit in that regard*


yeah, not gonna correct again

typo day it is


No it's artificial boosting. His numbers on that post are fairly low but he's one of Primal's chosen few. They always get boosted.


So NVK does like open source after all!


Ah, I see.


I like Primal. I like what they're building. But this single aspect of their service is so fucking grotesque. It is such a turnoff.


it depends a lot on a number of factors:

• time
• day
• relevancy in terms of topic
• relevancy in terms of meme origin
• author
• do you get a wave of boosts/quotes fast, so it gets trending fast


they talked about their rating system at nostrasia

apparently each like, repost, reply and zap is equal to a specific amount of points (can't recall the exact figures)


It's pretty simple: if you're one of the handful of accounts that Primal boosts into trending, then you get boosted into trending. Doesn't matter what they post.


Tanel, don't be dense. Certain accounts are artificially boosted in the algorithmic score.


playing devil's advocate (as i often do)

i agree with your statement, was just trying to find why it wouldn't be true

the trending tab in it's form creates a fixed thought leaders space and a circlejerk around the same takes without variance


Haha!

With all due respect to miljan, primal’s trend algorithm doesn’t work. I wonder whether there is another project.


You can’t stop human ingenuity.


It is what it is. Influencoors being influencoors. You invest enough and you get preferential treatment. Instead of intellectual honesty about it all, they'll simply reply "Don't like it, go build your own" if confronted about it.


Oh it works as intended, and it boosts exactly the people they want it to boost. It's a joke.


I suppose the justification for it would be that these people have large followings on other platforms and have the greatest possibility of bringing people over. They promote primal on other platforms, those same followers come over, and see names they are familiar with in the trending feed.

Maybe primal becomes the gateway drug to btc and other clients? Or maybe, those same people just stick with primal because it’s comfortable.


Damn man! I was just trying to be nice. 😅


yeah, severely dislike it

how would you like to see a trending tab get done?

because the interactions per post of the influencers are gonna be inflated regardless


"Come use nostr, we're building a new system where anyone's voice can be heard as long as you already  have proof of a large following elsewhere."


Whatever. Follow lists, trending lists, recommended follow lists…….whatever. Have at it. I’ll stay in my corner.


Yep. Clients going to client.


do you think the bias is towards just influencers or influencers who are also using primal as their most used client?


Ten points for ever thought leader with a @primal address.


hmm, interesting


I think there’s a group of “recommended follows” who are on the list because they use it and promote it.

I also think there are those who get “boosted” into the trending list because they have large followings in the space of btc and social media.


hmm, rather odd

i never really use primal, so i'm foreign to a lot of this but it's some great insight 💜


If they naturally get engagement and interaction, so be it. Trending feeds create a feedback loop of engagement. If certain accounts are artificially boosted into it on a consistent basis, then they are consistently getting more engagement and exposure than other accounts, not based on merits of their content but based on preferential treatment. That needs to go away.

Ideally, trending feeds would be powered by data vending machines that allow the user to see criteria important to them and then receive a feed of top posts based on that.


My “points” are a shitcoin fyi


I don’t either.

It’s not really that odd. People gain followers from being on a list, they then promote the platform/client.

It’s a mutual agreed upon arrangement where both parties gain.

Free market. It is what is and people won’t care or don’t seem to care.

Which is fine, but we can still point it out.


How to trend on Primal:

1) Find meme that's trending already.
2) Post that same meme.

😂🤦♂ https://image.nostr.build/0bae6aa1f1fe75142e11a09cab85fe93bf00831525849014effd39e8aa05ed96.jpg


well put and agreed 💜


yeah, but why not be open about it?

nostriches appreciate transparency a ton, and i think there should be an opt-in/opt-out solution for that


lol oh I know. I'm saying their trending feed is a joke, as in it's shit. Sorry, nothing directed at you 😂


Because we can just use another client and they can do whatever they want. They aren’t going after us, they are going after the mainstream users who will just use their default settings and feeds.


Your meme is just an error in the matrix. https://image.nostr.build/1b5084522c458ba4f01261a4ad828eba1135f787f38f6fcce50a7df63a25913e.gif


yeah, but that's dumb

it's not good resource management dev time wise to have 10s upon 10s twitter-like clients, when nostr could be so much more than that.


Because there is profit to be made, and these large accounts are more interested in securing their positions of influence on nostr now while it's early than they are with giving other voices a spotlight because it will mean bigger profit for them later on.


ugh

makes sense


My concern with Primal is that it could end up being too much like just another Twitter in too many ways.

Improvements over Twitter: our identities are cryptographic key pairs that are not controlled by primal, and the notes are stored on relays that are not controlled by primal.

Same as the old Twitter: monetization by advertisements. Which means primal is going to end up building algos that reward people with high follower counts, at the expense of everyone else.

Wait a second - did I say “end up?” They’re already doing it. Screw that, I say.

https://prettygoodproject.substack.com/p/the-pretty-good-way-to-calculate


i don't think that's their concern

that's their aim


On the one hand I think how it makes sense from a purely business standpoint. On the other hand I think how it is hypocritical to some of the ideals preached.


yep, keep it ambiguous on purpose, so you can portray values of one side, while you're actually cashing in on them


Don’t forget about their caching service. Seems pretty optimal for the inclusion of advertising.


Precisely

I don’t think we’ll have a truly decentralized web until our digital tools are themselves managed by our web of trust, rather than by digital stewards like primal or standards committees or repository managers.

Spoken languages are truly decentralized. Who decided the string of syllables we use in English for pencil? No one. Everyone. The question itself is kinda silly.

We need to respond the same way to the question: who decided the json schema we all use for a nostr note? Currently the answer is: fiatjaf. I look forward to the day when the answer is: what a silly question. No one is in charge.


Yup. I can’t help wondering how long it will be before they make a list of “approved” relays. Which will get whittled down to a handful of relays, all controlled by primal.


Probably not too far off.


How many people in the nostr community see this coming and appreciate its significance, I wonder?


I believe this is apparent to most people here now, because we are early adopters and are familiar with the underlying structures/tech.

However, I believe the next big wave will be completely unaware and will simply use the default settings and default relays etc run by the most “influential” clients.


I really think that corporations, news agencies, and governments will not use nostr until they can completely control their narratives, which will mean complete control of their relays and whitelists of npubs that have write permissions to their relays.


They will want to maintain control of the digital stewards. Which is why we must put stewardship of our digital tools of communication into the hands of our WoT.

Fix the language, fix the world.


Meme is something that gets copied and spreads... by definition


I think they will have their relays and we will have ours. I think the key will lay in our ability to educate people about how their “freedom of speech” is not really free. I don’t know if we will be able to do it, but it’s worth a try.


Nice meme — I am gonna borrow it 🫡


At the end of the day, this is why we meme 💜🤣🫡


I would love everyone in the world to become passionate about freedom of speech, but we cannot assume that will ever happen. We need to build tools that people will use bc they work, not bc they align with a worldview.

Example: Peter schiff hates btc ideologically but has accepted it on his website for years bc it works. That sort of thing.


Agreed!


Web of trust will do that by doing a better job of curating content than anything that currently exists. Most users won’t care about the underlying ideology. They’ll use it bc it works.


I’m lazy… can I just buy the visibility?


gotta watermark your memes


TFW they already are... 🥲😂


Double mark them to be sure


From: nostr:npub1shyguyyzs2e8jv0dcdqh8whwfd5k33999qy3vzvwxf6ql8c8xfpqqeearp


Lemme quote the same thing then 😂

nostr:note1l9xnwu46c76mzx4qrf6g8sj5mvsal30enqy6cn790hrnaet6ls7sz45fg5


LFG you did it! 💪


"I cant seem to get traction on nostr!"

Have you tried... not giving a fuck about that bullshit?