I wonder if clients could automatically calculate a spam score for relays and share this score with the network. Maybe if a user marks a note as spam it could implicitly add this to the relays spam score for the user.

once we have spam scoring algos in clients, we could derive a score for the relay automatically. This would give more insight for users, and for clients to recommend relays in manual mode. Autopilot mode (outbox) could use these scores for choosing which relays to pull from.

This is all annoying stuff i would rather not have to deal with, but it’s clear we will have to deal with it sooner than later.

The saddest part is that the bar for creating a usable nostr client is rising. I’m hoping to add as much of this logic into nostrdb as possible so native client devs don’t have to deal with all of this stuff in the future.


DVMs


How would this work?


So much attention paid to spam which is actually an easy problem to solve (Dynamic sat per note and reply requirement and poof 💥 spam gets zapped as the sats per note/reply goes up).  You are avoiding solving the real problem which is Child Pornography and just saying "It's part of reality, get over it". nostr:nprofile1qqsr9cvzwc652r4m83d86ykplrnm9dg5gwdvzzn8ameanlvut35wy3gpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqprfmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdaksz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcgek0h3 the gaslighting scammer. CyberBeggar. nostr:nprofile1qqsgydql3q4ka27d9wnlrmus4tvkrnc8ftc4h8h5fgyln54gl0a7dgspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyfehcpn READ THIS!!!!! You've violated the ABC of life "Avoid Bad Company" these devs just want your money. Money grubbing hucksters.


You subscribe to one or more DVMs that scores users. Then you just require their wot to show things on screen.


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I like the thinking. But it would also be prone to Sybil attacks.

May web of trusts is the actual response to both?


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You make it a prediction market where people can bet on what is spam and what is not.


Yeah wot always needs to be involved


I’m not sure this solves the problem at all. Isn’t that just forcing clients to switch from relay to relay that doesn’t yet have spam?

Let’s use WoT and for whoever isn’t in it, you need some minimal PoW if you want your post seen… spammers will need to spend a lot of energy for their many posts but for a single user the energy will be minimal.

Don’t want to spend cpu cycles? zap the OP and your replies become visible. 🤷


what if someone spins up npubs and uses them to spam report notes as spam? ReportGuy?


Will be WoT based of course


Its more just to provide information so when they want to switch to manual mode with a small relay set they know what relays to use


Are there proof of work relays?

What is a reasonable pow number to have that is also annoying for spammers? 10?

I like the idea of pow posting as it means you won't miss new people or people way outside your bubble(s)


wot is the best foot forward. it solves a lot of issues and gives the viewer an informed opinion. all clients should implement this.


Don’t see how spam scores will work. Eventually all your relays, except WoT ones will be blocked.

The fundamental problem is that there is no difference between a spammer and a new user. LLMs will make them indistinguishable eventually.

What other solutions are there except to impose a significant onboarding or ongoing cost to new users? There could be many ways to impose this cost but it seems we have to do it.

Spam filters, pattern matching, manual blocking is all a waste of dev resources because attackers will just escalate over time.

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every time you increase the required number of work bits by one, say from 9 -> 10, you effectively double the amount of work for a spammer.
idk what would be a good requirement to set, but my goal would be to ensure replyguy would need to be running his script on a $50/mo server to keep going 😂


(Yeah I only said 10 cos you mentioned 10 lol)

I don't know how this would work tho. If I add these relays to will they automatically make it my notes are pow?


if the spammers moved to GPUs it would negate a lot of that benefit, but it’s just another tool in the toolbox


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Guess it just depends on how much time I have left. Short amount seems like answer would be no but knowing you have more time to achieve what you want/etc I’d lean towards yes 🤷♂


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View of the network from inside the node
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View into the node and the mechanics inside
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Organic network layout
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Multi-layered network
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Data being added to the chain tip
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I wish I could use those relays, but the popular Nostr clients don’t support PoW

We are stuck


Nah, they require client support. Useless unless you build your own client.


sounds like you need to get Wired (.app)


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I wonder if clients could automatically calculate a spam score for relays and share this score with the network. Maybe if a user marks a note as spam it could implicitly add this to the relays spam score for the user.

once we have spam scoring algos in clients, we could derive a score for the relay automatically. This would give more insight for users, and for clients to recommend relays in manual mode. Autopilot mode (outbox) could use these scores for choosing which relays to pull from.

This is all annoying stuff i would rather not have to deal with, but it’s clear we will have to deal with it sooner than later.

The saddest part is that the bar for creating a usable nostr client is rising. I’m hoping to add as much of this logic into nostrdb as possible so native client devs don’t have to deal with all of this stuff in the future.