Hold the fuck up.

Steak? ✅
Anti-war? ✅
Anti-fiat? ✅
Conservative gender theory? What ❌

Since when is transphobia considered a cool part of bitcoiner culture?

Some of these “libertarians” are LARP-y as it gets. Freedom for me but not for thee. Fuck that noise.

Anti-trans rhetoric in the 21st century is gonna age about as well as racism in the 1800s and homophobia in the 1900s.

Bigotry doesn’t require malice to survive. It only requires ignorance.

If you’re a bitcoiner, you care about being on the right side of history. Get your shit figured out.

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"If you’re a bitcoiner, you care about being on the right side of history. Get your shit figured out. "

OK. What shit shall I go figure out?


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Adding you here in a reply rather than the original note, because my goal is not to call you out personally.

Isa, I typically love your content, and I doubt you wrote the script for this video.

But still, not great, and I’m not trying to see bitcoiners represented by a closed-minded meme (at best) that leads to oppressive anti-freedom policies (or worse).


Fucking right!


I’ll leave that to you to decide.

My intent here is not to provoke a discussion on gender theory, but to reject a caricature of bitcoiners that includes a bigoted matrix mindset.


I'm a live and let live kinda guy but there is some mad mass delusion thing going on atm coupled with a medical emergency (low T) leading to real world problems (plummeting birth rates) - gotta be worth considering that the social psychology side of this is being pushed hard by the same antihuman people who pushed the jabs and encourage women to be tax slaves rather than mothers, surely?


They targeted kids with their grooming, puberty blockers and irreversible surgeries.

It’s ok to call out sick fuckers, and they should be scared.


if it makes you transphobic to believe it is a net negative to humanity/freedom to affirm gender dysphoria as objective reality through:

- experimental surgical reconstruction
- chemical castration
- imprisonment for improper pronoun usage
- hiding medical information from parents of gender dysphoric children
- denying the LGBTQ+ movement has any elements of social contagion

then so be it. I may be a little bit transphobic ☠


Whose freedom? What others do that doesn't affect anyone else is none of your business.


GOFUCKYOURSELF! MALEFEMALE


"what other do that doesn't affect anyone else is none of your business"

tell that to the thousands of people that have expressed the long-held belief that there are only men & women - who have either lost their jobs, been imprisoned, or had their children taken away from the state for expressing such an opinion in the last 10 years


If your principles are based on freedom,  you should not be dictating personal beliefs and choices of others. People who opposed mandatory vaccination but think they should be able to dictate to others how they handle complex  issues like gender/sexuality are hypocritical and not really commited to freedom.


Appreciate your reply. I don’t profess to know the individual situations (and have never experienced for myself) what it’s like to be trans.

As with anything like this, of course there are deep nuances, unique circumstances, and the “right” thing can be different for different people.

It’s also true that with any polarizing issue, you end up with an extremely vocal minority who can end up pushing things too far. (Especially when that voice is born out of the frustration and grief of being oppressed, marginalized, scorned, abused, and disproportionately murdered).

But the casual, glib statement that “there are only two genders” is more insidious than an opinion. (First, it’s by definition an un-informed opinion — how could anyone who isn’t trans actually deeply understand it? Second, it’s the framework on top of which society as a whole decides how people should be treated, and trans people are disproportionately treated horribly).

I don’t buy the comprehensive conspiracy theory view here at all. But sure, politicians use sensitive, inflammatory issues to stoke division all the time. It’s sure as hell working in this context. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t also an underlying issue.

Many societies, throughout the history of humanity have, recognized a third or unspecified “gender” that doesn’t match the “gear”. Frequently these individuals have been honored, rather than oppressed.

I’m not taking a prescriptive stance about the individual situations here (who should do what with their body and when). That’s up to the individual.

But I’m confident that when a minority group says “this is what life is like for us, and it’s hard” that the right thing to do is to listen first, and listen long.

Instead, most people react because it challenges their worldview. That type of fear can be deadly.


I am gonna need some sources on any of that happening to begin with.

And I will had that "hate crimes" demand context to be such.

You can call people by the wrong pronouns in benign or malicious ways, with different outcomes.


let's clarify here - I will not treat you any differently if you publicly or privately choose to believe and express yourself as a different gender than the one assigned at birth.

The moment you advocate that the law should punish those who don't agree with you is the moment you become my enemy.


I see


Howdy. You sound pretty unhappy.

I’m a happily married, straight, white, healthy man. I have a beautiful, brilliant wife, and I’m very content in my body and life.

But some people aren’t. And while I haven’t lived their experiences, I have empathy for their suffering. My first instinct is to listen.

I don’t know you, but I hope that some part of you second-guessed what you wrote. Either way, thanks for the easy mute suggestion. I hope you’re able to find peace in yourself.


sorry wino i'm not buying into the mental illness.  u do u it's ok


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Hey Julian.

I want to emphasize that I’m not attacking you, or trying to say “you’re bad for your views”. That would be presumptuous, and it would defeat the purpose of my initial post.

I entirely agree that the law should not punish someone for their view. Hope nothing I wrote suggested otherwise.

Also, I’m not making a “prescriptive” for how our society’s doctors, parents, teachers, or therapists should approach transgender individuals. Any one-size-fits-all approach would be the wrong one.

But the blanket statement that “there are only two genders” strikes me as closed-minded, un-empathetic, and generally contrary to “don’t trust verify” as a principle.

The neuroscience is starting to catch up, and my (limited) understanding is that it’s more natural than the traditional “fear of the unknown” point of view would have us believe.

Our society has historically been terrible at supporting minority groups, and it usually comes from a place of ignorance, not hatred. But ignorance and fear can lead down some very ugly paths.


Word.
This is why it’s about crypto-anarchy.
Libertarian was high jacked a while ago


The state needs to stay the fuck out of peoples’ personal lives. Period.

Arresting someone for an ignorant or bigoted viewpoint is absolutely wrong.

The state exists to protect an individual’s safety, and their freedom to flourish and maximize their own potential, right up to the line where that activity encroaches on another citizen’s *safety*. No further.

Thing is, trans people have been overwhelmingly the victims of certain types of crime. Doesn’t mean we need the speech police. But when a subgroup of a society is in measurably greater danger than the rest, it warrants some protection.

Again, individual circumstances are unique. I’m not prescribing a particular path.

I’m just trying to say, be open, and listen, and when someone tells you who they are… believe them.


1- JKR, a actual TERF, that tries to actually do damage to people. Cool, can ignore this one.
2- Got arrested for breaking a court order, nothing else. Can ignore that one too.
3- Contempt of court, again. Malicious refusal to abide by policy of her job.
4- The article itself is tremendously biased. If it is actually just true, this is bad. But I doubt it.
5- She literally won her claim. So what is the point?


the problem comes when the laws meet science here. law is being used to enshrine these new scientific discoveries or THEORIES as fact, when even the gender+ theorists know themselves it is all new and subject to change/evolve.

from my perspective I have never seen a transgender person or new gender theorist speak out against draconian speech laws like the ones in Ireland or Canada's C16.

Despite me loving Bitcoin and believing it is the only form of money rooted in objective truth and not theft, it would be completely hypocritical of me to advocate the arrest or ban of any proponent of fiat money, or anyone who said Bitcoin was a Ponzi scheme.

that type of introspection, at least in the present, seems void in any of the gender theory circles or mainstream proponents.


I agree. (Technically, by believing in freedom, I believe the state can’t dictate what people believe. But I believe individual citizens can and should speak for their beliefs and push against those which we believe are anti-freedom).

In any case, I’m just pointing to a belief that I believe is wrong, and will age badly as neuroscience continues to evolve.


We share a distaste for the speech police, and most controversial sociocultural discussions seem to lead to the opposing sides cutting corners (philosophically, morally, or legally) in the interest of meeting their own needs.

It’s nuanced, and complicated, and fraught. Anti-trans rhetoric (the really nasty bigoted stuff) is directly correlated with instances of anti-trans violence. But where do you draw the line? These are lines that I’m vary wary of any government getting to draw. Because that kind of power is an inevitable slippery slope.

The intention of my original post was to (vehemently) disagree with the caricature of bitcoiners being closed to the idea that our society and the humans who comprise it are actually far more complicated than it appears.

How many other times has science revealed insights about humanity and the universe that was not visible to the naked eye?

In this way, I think the anti-trans view is incorrect (and will be proven such in time), and the marginalization of individuals in our society which results from such a viewpoint is more damaging than simply keeping an open mind and listening to people around us.


Yeah 100%


You think it’s a good idea to let anyone who claims to be a woman into women’s spaces?


ps verry happy. beetcoin just hepled me buy house for first born child. all is goood cept for admirals in drag. no good for us


I just *personally* don't think these things are too complicated.

When your body is dug up ~300 years from now, the amount of gender affirmation or surgery done will more than likely not be traceable - and the details pertaining to your gender will be evident from your skeletal structure as either man or woman.

I don't see this viewpoint as stoking anti-trans rhetoric.


Eh. I think it sidesteps the actual questions at hand, while maintaining a structure of marginalization against a minority.

I sincerely appreciate the civil discourse here. Not a lot of places on the internet where  this👆exists.

Especially not when the conversation gets started by a note like mine 😉


I should be precise though. Not “maintaining a structure of marginalization”, but “maintaining a structure that supports marginalization”.

Less accusatory and more accurate 🤝


Unisex spaces have been a thing for ages...

That is not what makes it a problem.

Crimea are already crimes.


you first


People can believe whatever they want.
GFY


I agree so much.
Being trans-gender or non-binary is as much a "Fuck you, I have my individual freedom"  as  is the freedom of transacting.

Anyone claiming to be "for freedom" who is anti-trans is essentially only caring about freedom for themselves and not for anyone else.

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Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡