Oddbean new post about login | logout The real PoW is the work you have to put in to pick good relays that are filtering spam for free. Few.
But where are these magical relays? There's always some major drawback, like payment required or WoT of one guy. These are essentially just relays with whitelists.
Yep. There are drawbacks. That's why people need to work on it and choose good ones.
My point is our people have not created good enough relays for blocking spam yet. The best success I've had is blocking anyone without a NIP-05, and that's just a different major drawback.
My bot is accessing 3000 relays. Almost all of them are spam free right now. That can change, but there are definitely a LOT of options out there.
I see. So these relays don't necessarily have spam protection, they are just underutilized and not among the most popular relays therefore not targeted by ReplyGuy.
Maybe, or maybe some of them have. Either way people are only suffering with spam because everything is centralized on a few very easy targets.
What do you mean by my bot? Are you the spammer Vitor? Noooo ðŸ˜
Could this work? A relay that accepts: Posts from users in admin’s WoT Or posts from valid NIP-05 Or posts with PoW > x This would be less restrictive than a pure WoT relay, but still allow new users outside the admin’s WoT.
"These are essentially just relays with whitelists." Agree. That's why I use relay.tools which supports NIP-42. Nothing wrong with whitelists in my eyes when it works all the same. Let me control the userbase on my own relays. If I can't do it manually then I'll employ something more. For now I have no problem doing this manually, while everyone else suffers at the expensive of a freemium product. There are multiple solutions but everything requires due diligence.
That's not a good solution. The relay software is not yet at standards where you can easily delete spam quickly. The users coming into Nostr shouldn't have to spend time picking which relay is filtering spam or not. The solution here is requiring "follow requests" that cost 1 Satoshi or less. That will make it too expensive for bots to operate. I also don't want anyone interacting with my profile unless I accept their follow request because I've noticed bots liking my notes in order to get noticed. When billions are using Nostr it's going to be garbage just like X where you keep receiving lies and follows from those fake profiles with fake asian women profile pictures. Use capitalism and the power of Bitcoin micro-payments to stop spam. Make them PAY
But why ? From a user perspective I have no issues with reply guy .. the poor bot is simply creating dumb replies .. any relay who care to save on their storage shall figure out what they need to do .. If #nostr censored bots , than it shall soon censor humans too ..
In general, I like it, but many newbies aren't set up with sats and a lightning wallet yet. That makes them unable to pay to follow and makes them leave. Until it is a little easier to setup a wallet and zap really easily, that would just drive people away. The other problem is what happens when bitcoin sky rockets and a sat is real money? We don't want to force something that causes problems later. I suppose if it was optional, it might be OK. That being said, I'd definitely be willing to pay a sat to follow someone.
You have a point about the first part. Even myself I started off with no lightning wallet. Nostr in fact helped me get comfortable with the lightning network. Wallets are getting easier. I did have a hard time finding a simple lightning wallet. The only one I did find that was extremely simple is wallet of satoshi. The other part about Bitcoin skyrocketing. Bitcoin is designed to always go up. If everyone just hodls their Bitcoin it will slow down adoption. It's up to the person to decide but I have always spent some Bitcoin from day one. I want to support the network and achieve faster adoption by buying things in stores. I see the price of Bitcoin at the time I spent it and whatever it will be worth in the future does not stop me from enjoying my Bitcoin. It's important for people to spend their Bitcoin. If it bothers people that much they can buy back what they spent.
Right now spending bitcoin and one satoshi is no big deal. I zap and spend all of the time, but what happens way in the future when the value is 1,000 or 10,000 or more times greater. It could get to the point that requiring a sat is real money and limits the number of people a person can follow. I admit that is way in the future, but we don't want to design in something that destroys nostr in the future.
I see what you mean. Well the solution is quite simple. You just change the price of a follow request over time depending on the market. At current rate 1 Satoshi is equal to 0 . 00063 which is almost nothing. Not even close to 1 penny. We're still a long way from Satoshi moving up to the amount you said. if it goes up 1,000 x price equals $0.63 Bitcoin would be equal to $630,000 for one Bitcoin if it goes up 10,000 x price equals $6.30 Bitcoin would be equal to $630,000,000 for one Bitcoin
Do you know if there exists a docker image, cloud formation template or similar that I can use to deploy a relay to linode? I'd happily run a free public relay that employs good filtering if someone has done the initial legwork... even if costs me some fiat.
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They definatly have to pick their relays. If they are just gonna go with whatever the client says, we can all just stay on centralized twitter. Picking relays is the reason Nostr is censorship resistant. If you abandon that as a user, there is no point on any of this.
From my experience with Fediverse and the Internet in general sadly most of the people will not do that. Thus if this is a condition then we're not gonna have a decentralised and censorship-resistant solution
From my experience with Fediverse and the Internet in general sadly most of the people will not do that. Thus if this is a condition then we're not gonna have a decentralised and censorship-resistant solution