Oddbean

It’s all relative. Every pleb is different. Most of these devs have been in bitcoin yeeears longer than most plebs here It would really suck to guilt people into zapping away their hard-stacked 1 or 2 million sats to multicoiners who were guzzling those legendary faucets back in the day or solo mining on laptops 😭 Not saying the suggestion to zap devs is bad or anything, just adding some context that i think a) matters, and b) people often forget to consider One could even argue new plebs with smol stacks grinding as wage slaves need zaps more than devs do. In the end we just each need to do what we feel, i think

Us plebs paying for a service we love and enjoy is very normal. It doesn’t matter with what currency we pay it with. Paying it with sats doesn’t make it hard earned any more than paying it with dollars.

Oh yeah i understand that. Hard earned income turned into stacks is what i mean by hard-stacked sats. Maybe it’s worth more or less than when it was bought, that’s kind of irrelevant. My only point is the “free market of zaps” and/or business models of devs and clients is what will either solve this or preclude the success of nostr. But (and i really don’t mean anything against yegor or derek or anyone) i don’t think saying “do bigger zaps” is effective. Same thing as telling people to tip more bc servers get paid below minimum wage. Maybe it kinda sorta helps, but they should probably just be making better wages. It’s the business model that has the real impact on their lives.

Do the math the numbers Will shared a few of minutes ago. The problem is that Damus user base would need to be orders of magnitude bigger for a subscription model (or zap splits) to work. nostr:note1p472kn4e65uj8lm3wd37et4fjtcvjhyk3u9dcd59y0tk5pyu772s8pmzmj

At the risk of sounding like a completely insensitive and retarded prick, isn’t this kinda how free open source software development works? People with the time and skills to build stuff just do it due to whatever internal drivers they have, and then people may or may not donate to the cause?

Aka it generally isn’t anyone’s main stream of income. Like if i were a dev i’d have a job at some company and then build on open source shit whenever i both can and want to, expecting nothing in return but probably getting donations and being happy I sound like a tota fuckwad rn don’t i 🤣

Fair point. They all have way more bitcoin than I do. I also don't think that they should burn their savings for me. So for example, I can send them $20 a month from Strike, converting fiat to bitcoin. Sure, I wouldn't be able to stack that $20, but it would go towards something that I value.

Yeah I get your point. We had an example with Luke who used to say that he is poor and in the end dude had a big stack of coins and set for life. Don’t get me wrong! Nothing is for free in this world and your work should be paid. But I guess in such cases, devs also should be a little bit honest about this one. But in any way it’s fine to pledge ~$50 worth of sats once in a month to the devs. You will not be reacher and you will not be poorer by donating such amounts but it might be helpful for someone if more of us will do that. If we want freedom of speech protocol then we gotta step in and help as we can. Also, donations aren’t a source of income and this model only solves temporary that issue!

I think the problem is if a dev wants to live of it's app, that requires a constant stream of income, like a subscription model and I don't think that works very in a bitcoin model. I'm more inclined to a one time payment for the dev work and that's it.