Nostr has lost 78% of the relays that were running a year ago.  Running tests.


I find this extremely hard to believe


The relay bloom of 2023


i don't but the statistic of how many running now would be important to evaluate the meaning od that


And how much did number of total relays drop?


Well you better go catch them 🏃🏻


nooooooo number go back up


deadass ?


this is the question


Hard to know without services like https://nostr.watch/

There has been a big drop


Would be great to know how to control what relays do without having to be a super user. Surely it exists...


i’ve ALWAYS wanted to do a relay for a v special group and move a lot of it onto/grow it on nostr… 🥲


then ofc, another purpose of the relay would’ve been to orange pill as well…🥲


If you’re interested, checkout Westernbtc. Been running strong.


why?


I think we will see relay renaissance with https://khatru.nostr.technology/


Likely that there is no one reason.  But running a relay is a thankless task.


Does it bring something negative to the ecosystem?


All it takes is for any of the clients like Amethyst or Primal to provide relay service directly from their Android apps.

Tens of thousand relays coming up overnight. Not that I mean that all relays should be public to the world, but they would certainly help to keep a good backup of what happens. For example, I would enjoy downloading the texts from the people that I follow, don't have particular interest in the whole world but would be nice to replay the conversations here some 20 years in the future that I've saved on the phone.


an option https://github.com/CodyTseng/nostr-relay-tray


Many thanks, that looks fantastic. Went ahead to install but I'm running Linux and for some reason doesn't want to show on my tray. I've message the author, see if this can be solved. Now just missing to convince the relay authors to save the events as text files, otherwise we won't be able to rescue/port the data afterwards.


and they will steadily outnumber the public ones because it is so simple to run relays

ok, it took me some time to build a good one but i now use it and automatically now anyone i follow can post on it, and fetch from it, satisfying the in/outbox requirements

i have been thinking about how to open it up a bit to allow strangers to post on it, i will figure out a reasonable minimal "knock knock" scenario that means that it's open enough to allow new people in


Meshtastic p2p mesh radio network works like this. Every user radio device is automatically a node and a relay. The subnet size that each node can see is the range of the radio and the density of handsets in the range. Replicate that on the internet. Bittorrent essentially also works the same way, each client is a node and relay with the throughput (and also maybe the reach/domain  size?)being configurable.


they are saved as jsonl, you can import on coracle, nostrudel. Backup site like https://backup.greenart7c3.com/


Learning lots  of good things today. Thank you!


i haven't got any specific thoughts about how to most simply open up access without strong trust guarantees but i bet you'll come up with some other ideas

for now, the best i've got is second level - the follows follows - follows mutes... but to actually make all this work there needs to be an active process scanning the network for relay lists and asking for mute and follow lists

it's gonna take a bit of thinking i think, for now i have the basis... i can open up relays to people just by adding their key to my owners list and whoever they follow is automatically allowed, and who they mute is not (obviously mute overrides)

gives me some ideas about multi-level and scores ranking distance from the owners and using that to scale the timestamps so that trusted stuff is deleted after less trusted stuff, this is one idea starting point anyway


Nostr has lost 78% of the relays that were running a year ago.  Running tests.


Utilities like nostr.guru are gone too :/


Yes, that might help.


On god  frfr


Wow. 78%?

Were any of them structurally important?

Which are the largest and which have been around the longest?


sheeeesssshhh

Had a feelin he wasn’t sir cap-a-lot


Skibidi people who shutdown their relays

The ones still running them are demure


nos.lol and nostr.mom have pretty long history


which ones are those 78%?


Interesting, I didn't realise pitiuniteds relays were using a new type until now.  Thanks.


I bet a lot of these were "lifetime" subscription models.


Melvin existe t-il un moyen aisé de créer un relais et de Configurer les boîtes de messagerie même si j'ai besoin de messagerie privée? Puisque depuis plus d'un mois j'ai cette notification sur Amethyst et impossible d'utiliser echap pour l'enlever ...pour nous les non techs moi particulièrement on galère quoi pour des choses qui devraient être simples et non ..wine j'en ai pas besoin..des tutoriels aideraient sincèrement à user de nostr aisément...merci


omg...! where do we get the data? how do we move forward from here? 😔💭


correct. When I started writing nostr.watch there were 6 public relays (there were quite a few more but they were experimental/not published)


Well, technically the number of live relays has been continuously climbing for 2 years. Relays come and go, and that's ok. I've had a total of 19 relays, and 7 of them are still online.


Where/how can someone see this?


Excellent documentation on the Khatru site. I hope people will publish their filter implementations, too.


What's the difference between paid relays and free ?

Any recommendations 🤔


I know nostr:npub10npj3gydmv40m70ehemmal6vsdyfl7tewgvz043g54p0x23y0s8qzztl5h was trying to get a Minimum Viable Npub Standard, going, where relays can use associate-trust to keep out spam.


ah, yep, ive been working with the brainstorm.ninja team, learning about nostr:nprofile1qqsw2feday2t6vqh2hzrnwywd9v6g0yayejgx8cf83g7n3ue594pqtcpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqzythwden5te0dehhxarjxgcjucm0d5q32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwd4hhxarj9ec82csvvl4vs's equations for scores.  both to use them in relays but also in general as a nostr power user..

wot is just a buzzword, and most current implementations are just really basic combining follows lists.. brainstorm is more calculation heavy and can produce more useful results such as the upcoming grapevine score. (which ive experimentally calculated here)

https://github.com/Pretty-Good-Freedom-Tech/gvengine/blob/1b8d3edf9c7f0bbeeef2e72d9f39690135517005/scores.go#L84


This isn't good, this isn't good at all.
However, it's not *terrible* either. It's likely many relays were run basically as tests by people who wanted to learn and that what's left will stay much longer.
Still, we do need reliable public relays, which I suggest should be run by trusted nonprofits.


I see no contradiction with OP.
OP says most relays which used to be available no longer are. This doesn't mean fewer relays are available now, just that most of the relays which were available at that point aren't (but many new ones may be).

(Not saying either is true or false, just that they aren't in contradiction).