onboarding is somehow getting way worse. we're stopping all new new feature dev to focus our onboarding experience. we're not going to win if people give up before they even start.


Can confirm, gave up after being filtered by the setup process


What's got worse? 🤔


it's easy if you take out the lightning aspects of it :(


the onboarding experience, in damus at least.


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


I thought maybe you were thinking of something(s) specific as part of the process?


Finally, a reasonable perspective.

I'd add that developers should also make sure basic features actually work before piling more on. I'm not sure if this applies to this client, but it does to the ones I've used on Android.
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Hope you can get it sorted out…
As I still think Damus is the best nostr client if you want something simple…


In our case it’s some bugs that really ruin the process. And some UX as well. We will fix it


-broken buttons
-gibberish npub123..
-load times
-entire discoverability experience


yes there are many things, we had an hour long meeting about it and identified like 5+ pain points that we are going to be working on.

Biggest one is cold-start cache and having no profiles to search for. We're going to look into a profile precache of all of the users on the network. Should be pretty small and should work well until we get much larger.

Another one is the QR code experience, damus QR code scanning is janky and downright broken at times. We were looking into ways to load more profile data through the nprofile, even without and internet connection.

Profile picture and banner optimization, a lot of profile data fails to load on bad connections because things are not optimized across the board.

Onboarding checklist to guide users to set up missing things.

Lots more


Yes. This is often overlooked. But the number 1 complaint I have always heard on any platform I've managed is "I can't log in".


Ah I see. I was wondering if maybe eg has nip05 become an important factor? Joining a paid relay? Maybe not now that the spambots are away (for now).

Cos that would be very tricky added onboarding experience problems, for people on zero sats, people totally unaware of lightning. (ie people who have no come from bitcointwitter).


Number one complaint I’ve heard is that new accounts appear blank and can’t follow people. Nostr account creation and propagation is bugged. Need DHT badly.


is it just me getting a lot of iphone storage space taken up from damus?

sometimes I forget to empty the cache and it starts filling up again, can get pretty large https://image.nostr.build/bb2fd8f854602428061fd3d938448178534f8e20b86dca246e659b86206515bf.jpg


Interesting thanks. It's always curious to see what is going on behind the curtains:)


Lol why does this sound familiar


This is the main thing we are going to be focused on fixing


because its a continuous thing that needs improving


Wanna come back to help? 😜🥰💜 we mentioned you in the call Monday


I like the app a lot. But yeah if you don’t have a background I can see it being a challenge.
I’m still wondering why I get push notifications for an nsec I’m not logged in with (iOS)??


nostr:npub13v47pg9dxjq96an8jfev9znhm0k7ntwtlh9y335paj9kyjsjpznqzzl3l8 don’t we disable push on logout?


The opening “who to follow” has been stale since it started & i have to close it every time i open the app


Persists https://github.com/damus-io/damus/issues/1707


you likely have the developer mode option enabled to always show onboarding?


onboarding is somehow getting way worse. we're stopping all new new feature dev to focus our onboarding experience. we're not going to win if people give up before they even start.


Nah no more freebees


:drakeyes:


I’ll persevere with it for a bit longer


Indeed i did, Thanks. Is it algo controled? It never recommended anyone new


It’s really basic, just a fixed list. We would love to improve it if anyone wanted to take a stab at something better.


This makes a lot of sense. Normies don’t want ANY barriers


Kindness

Kindness


Let's go 🚀

Let's go 🚀


Leadership


Absolutely.. as long as new arrivals are aware of #nostrPhilosophy

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I could create an ideal formula but coding does not come from these fingers unless its stealing bits of htlm


Add gif buddy plz ☺


this is great news. people don’t want to follow a bunch of people they don’t know and then have to figure out how to remove them. they just go elsewhere.

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Good move. I’d gladly delay QoL improvements if it meant diverting those resources to onboarding upgrades.


Try to clear cache in app. Settings -> appearance.

Its a somewhat manual process for now.


Right. The income is still very hard for better adoption.


It took me a week to get nostr to work.  Almost gave up myself


DHT maxxing


Yes, solid features and better experience, starting from the onboarding, I'm just working on this.


FTW


That all sounds great 👍🏼


i think onboarding should be a lot simpler

- generate secret in the background
- present the user with 'best content' on nostr like flowers, scenery pics, popular accounts
- allow user to browse more hash tags
- if user starts following people then remind that he should backup keys if he wants to continue using this account
- periodically remind to save a username if he hasnt done so
- remind the user to have an #introductions post to be welcomed

i guess this could be called lazy onboarding / gradual engagement / soft signup. the idea is dont overwhelm user with nostr technicalities


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


Idea 💡
- design onboarding experience as close as it gets to real life (when arriving at a new community/place; specifics would be determined by the vision behind Damus)
- prioritize connection
- have @damus official account be ran by humans who love other humans (guides, mentors, teachers), after first prompt (ie automatic personal first DM guiding)
- have @damus extend a step by step exploration of the app environment user-customized one interaction at a time.
- will figure out scaling as go/test


Hmmm 🧐 you mean not focusing on the human was a bad idea


Good to hear the search is going to be fixed. This was really a pain point when onboarding people in Amsterdam with Damus..


Yeah we can fix it


I got a streamer with a dedicated audience to agree to try streaming on nostr via zap.stream, but he's primarily iOS and getting everything working so that he could recieve zaps was a nightmare, he gave up.

the good thing is that creating stream overlays would have been a walk in the park.


Perhaps direct people to follow hashtags based on their interests instead.

Simultaneously, put effort to build out how quality content within those hashtags is discovered (using an algorithm, not just “most recently posted”).

Through the hashtag path, people discover the best content for the things they care about, and as a 2nd order discovery, the people they want to follow directly.


I was about to build a prototype for this.

In my mind the basic is: download an open app store (eg: nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7erfw36x7tnsw43z7un9d3shjqpq0r8xl2njyepcw2zwv3a6dyufj4e4ajx86hz6v4ehu4gnpupxxp7slzk40u ), install Amber, create a new identity, install one mobile client (chat/social or both), login with Amber.


Even trying to create a custodial wallet on primal? Or were you trying to avoid custodial solutions?


He can create a WoS or Blink wallet and paste the address on the Nip-5 space or his desired client. What’s difficult about it?


I'm focusing on the creating the profile, I think this is the first crucial step, then we can redirect the user to any app, web or native.
Amber is great, but unfortunately is not cross platform.


I told you this a few days ago: #Nostr lacks more diversity and pluralism. It's very easy to find people who are extreme right-wingers and Trump supporters, as well as BitCoin lovers. But it's harder to find people who are left-wing democrats, LGBT, culture-seekers, and with a diversity of interests (from books, games, movies, music, etc.). Of course, people are generally more comfortable with the diversity and pluralism that exists on platforms like BlueSky or Threads. Personally, I only continue with Nostr because I like the more technological aspect of the protocol; otherwise, I would have already deleted my account. In general, Nostr's content is very bad and only puts off new people.


They're all on Mastodon crying their eyes out because they think Trump SS will kill the queers while reporting any dissenting opinions to instance admins. That's not diversity. I'm fine with them sticking to Mastodon. Having different protocols and approaches to decentralized services is much more diverse then having one that's in constant civil war.


This is the way.


Also Damus on macOS  now immediately crashing upon launch


onboarding is somehow getting way worse. we're stopping all new new feature dev to focus our onboarding experience. we're not going to win if people give up before they even start.


I know Will is not the biggest fan, but could be people discovery DVM

https://www.data-vending-machines.org/kinds/5301/


Nostr is mostly intelligent people


this was in May, and he"s an American. WoS not an option, pretty sure Blink wasnt around.


was in may, pretty sure the Primal wallet wasn't out yet.


theyre catering to the lowest common denominator people. thats why its hard.


Ooo


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


One of us 🧠

One of us 🧠


Gradual engagement is a step towards algorithm. I think organic growth is where it's at. Perhaps more important is to share content from nostr.


I like this. If someone doesn't engage much then they won't care enough to be reminded to back up their nsec. If someone does engage then gently reminding them to back it up and give themselves a username is a great way spread out onboarding info to get them to not feel overwhelmed by the technical details of it all.