@67975218 @Hypnotize Feminists that looks cool but also looks like you'll be buying proprietary gas cylinders. a plain old plumbing torch is a little bigger and cheaper and would probably work better for what you're doing 

 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: @Hypnotize Feminists this is literally the only other type of torch i can find on local websites, does this look right? most say culinary use. sry im clueless

https://niscii.xyz/files/9a16fcfe-23f8-4528-bbf8-8d124a7dee70 

 @67975218 @d3a4f43e @Hypnotize Feminists Not sure a creme brulee torch is gonna do the job. lol.  Maybe tho? 

 @542debdc @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: @Hypnotize Feminists this one says good for soldering and creme brulee lol. im trying to find other types and failing 

 @67975218 @542debdc @Hypnotize Feminists ah cool.  you want something like this i think 
https://www.bernzomatic.com/Products/Hand-Torches
way bigger gas cylinder. those little butane cylinders are gona run out fast 

 @67975218 @Hypnotize Feminists @542debdc i would get this. like $20 https://www.bernzomatic.com/Products/Hand-Torches/Manual-Ignition/WK2201 

 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: @Hypnotize Feminists @542debdc legitimately cant find anything that looks like this here at least online. i'll ask around, ty 

 @67975218 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: @542debdc maybe most places won't want to ship pressurized cylinders? You can find them at any hardware store, they're rather ubiquitous. 

 @Hypnotize Feminists @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: @542debdc no i mean the hardware stores have online fronts that just list their instore stock and i cant find a listing for anything like it at all. but i will ask when i go next 

 @542debdc @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: @Hypnotize Feminists i mean if you can do it with a candle maybe lol 

 @67975218 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: @Hypnotize Feminists mobsters who run italian restaurants as fronts bulk order these and use them to torture people in basements 

 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: @Hypnotize Feminists oh it says it can be refilled with any butane canister i think 

 @67975218 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: btw sorry if I missed it but what are you making with tiny rings? 

 @Hypnotize Feminists @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: im currently learning to make chainmail. just working with aluminium right now but if i keep doing it and not just get bored of it i'd like to make it out of steel

https://files.niscii.xyz/obj/3131e7cf-f8cc-44a3-9d8b-8ab8813d9d93.webp 

 @67975218 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: that's incredible! I'd love to learn more about armor. Holland Anvil had an armorer's swage block for sale now so that's piqued my interest. 

 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: no, I annealed in vermiculite hoping it would be easier to drill, but it had no effect. I got it from a scrap yard that has an assortment of dimensional stock from project overages, so presumably it's all mild steel or at most a36. This was in a pile of about 100 sticks. 

 @Hypnotize Feminists vermiculite has a fair amount of air vs sand? you may need to do it in a more controlled ramp with a furnace  

i was able to temper A2 to a blue color and it worked when i was making a tool. can't recall exactly what the project was off hand 

 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: yes I believe so. The particles are almost the size of kitty litter but they have the weight of styrofoam, so very low density. That being said, if I put in a piece of iron it's still too hot to touch nearly 6 hours later, so the insulation value is excellent.

https://media.clubcyberia.co/pleroma/e80759ce7ca114fa53719574bb7e98d27a6df8e0cdaa2c832cfc103083e0b587.jpg 

 @Hypnotize Feminists good to know 

 @67975218 ya those would be good. we have them at the hardware store i think.  that's a proprietary system with their dremel arbor though. whereas you can get some cheap ones from ali express with just a hole and generic arbor

they're not that dangerous, so if they shatter it might hurt a little- but this is why i wear eye protection plus face shield and gloves, and an apron, and and generally have no probs 

 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: is the dremel necessary. can i mount the arbor on a drill, or is that a bad idea 

 @67975218 dremel spins at about 20k rpm. a drill maybe 2k. yes you could try to use a drill but it might be slow and not work that well 

 @woodland creature :pleroma_fox_tan: ok ty, i think a dremel is better then