Oddbean new post about login | logout why Uruguay of all places ? i wish i could say The Netherlands was still a good place to go, i mean it's reasonably tolerant, but good luck getting trans healthcare through the official routes here... :/
That was my question, too. Relocating to /anywhere/ in LatAm because the USA is too conservative is hilarious: https://worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png If northern Europe is off the menu for some reason, they'd be a lot more culturally comfortable in Hong Kong, Singapore or Japan. Govt doesn't pay for healthcare in Asia, of course, but if they're productive citizens its quite affordable compared to the US of A.
@Low Information Voter that map is interesting. But it also kind of answers your question. Uruguay’s quite close to the US. The Asian countries are more different when it comes to culture and values.
The median values for the USA are what they're talking about leaving! Uruguay is MORE traditional on average than the USA on average. Secular, rationalist north Asian countries don't give a damn what expats do as long as they pay their bills. Northern European countries don't even ask that. I don't think your friends are very serious.
it's more nuanced, there's not really a direct mapping between traditional values (of the majority) and LGBTQ laws, somehow, really depends on the country
100%, politicians pass laws a majority don't support all the time. Culture matters when it comes to rolling back those laws. Uruguayans are far more likely to support rollback than Arizonans. And then compare either to CA / OR / MA.
I’m in Uruguay right now, I’ve lived here off and on since 2003. But I’ll let an Uruguayan on Nostr answer the question about what they think about their country’s policies and people moving here. nostr:note1c3cqp306k5xqj7ksueq9wd56ltz2gggv9wr89n5xu5m0n90g5yuq84uzfg
Who to believe? (a) World Values Survey's research (b) Some guy on the internet Tough call. Happily, I'm sure this emigration talk is purely performative; but I'd be sad if people were "Pied-Pipered" into upending their childrens lives...
I think it’s people looking for a place with a lower cost of living (lower than the Netherlands, but not necessarily cheap) and easy visa processes. Uruguay is very socially progressive and inclusive. In particular, when they passed trans laws in 2018 and 2019, they made them proactive not only in bringing about equality but also in addressing past systemic harms against trans people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Uruguay
Well, Uruguay is a country where gay couples can protect their marihuana fields with guns. It's pretty much the most liberal country in the south and highly ranked in the world. Funny part is that a lot of stuff didn't even have to be decriminalized, as they never criminalized it in the 1st place. That being said, price wise it is actually quite expensive place to live (with relatively shit services for that price), esp if you want to be in Montevideo, and there are some caveats to being resident - very high property tax being one of them.
And strong banking secrecy laws and bearer share corporations. It used to have stronger financial privacy protections but the US and IMF kept pressuring the government to remove those rules. And drugs, abortion, and guns are legal. The latter is regulated. Oh and if you work in tech and your income is from overseas you don’t pay taxes. The idea is you’re bringing money in to the economy in a clean way.
That's pretty much the formula - you need tax free foreign income to offset for local taxes you can't avoid. Optimally, you have it from an US LLC or equivalent structure, so it is not taxed at source. Worst thing you can do planning wise, is to be employed (could end sentence here really ^^;) in EU or some other socialist country and live in Uruguay. For US passport holders, this will not be optimal either as they will be liable to Uncle Sam worldwide, but I guess it still beats staying "home".
> Funny part is that a lot of stuff didn't even have to be decriminalized, as they never criminalized it in the 1st plac that sounds perfect imo, the state doesn't need to get involved in a lot of things in the first place a lot of progressives in Europe (maybe the US too) imo make the mistake of also wanting the government to pay for everything, which creates an eternal political fight and means that everything needs to be regulated with laws to prevent abuse of the system, creates endless bureaucratic gatekeeping, waiting lists, and so on
