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LibertyGal | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +5 
 The only valid jobs for government are protecting life and property (and contracts which is sort of property).  Everything else is corrupt and makes things worse.
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Undisciplined | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 They often make things worse trying to do those two things as well.

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LibertyGal | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Yes they do because they always have ulterior motives and most of them think they own us and our stuff.
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The Beave | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +3 
 I don't agree with this because through this the state expands and becomes too much. 

I do not need the state. At all. Ever. For anything. I believe that the state is directly opposed to God's plan for humanity, and as such, we Christians should work diligently to break it into dust however we can.
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LibertyGal | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 These are the only things that can be argued as valid.  I agree with you 100% that no government has ever stayed within these parameters and that government always becomes so big that it causes more harm than good.  If it could just do these things, I could live with it.  Unfortunately it is always corrupted and begins to harm life and property instead of protecting it.
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9sirtom5 | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 Yeah. I guess most of libertarian or ancap people could live with it. Just because it is so much less of a state then we have now 😅
But it is conceptually and morally still wrong.
Either it is voluntary or not. If it is not then it doesn't matter on what the robber spent your money.
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The Beave | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 That's the conclusion I have come to.
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finrod | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 The state of this world, we are not.

And there much more natural ways than elected government to put in place institutions that serve the individual and not the other way around.
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The Beave | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Yes. 

I would agree with that.