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 Nostr is inevitable. 

However, the adoption trajectory is uncertain. It could take a couple of years or a decade before Nostr gains critical mass. Our actions will make all the difference. The builders and early adopters bear the responsibility of guiding Nostr through this early stage. 

Anyhow, good morning! ☀️ 
 let's go 
 No pressure, right? 😅 
 It's an honor to be an early adopter. 
 I take a completely different view.  Nothing is inevitable, not even nostr.  Every project wants to grow 10x.  But not every project can grow 10x, maybe only 1 in 5 can, maybe less.  Which means 4 in 5 dont make it.  So the odds are against.  Our rivals have gone 10x in the time we have gone sideways.  Instead of complacency we should learn.  We can load the dice in our favour by trying to get as much as possible right.  But it's all good.  The next level of nostr might not be as fun as this level, and there will be nostalgia for what was before.  Rather than better, it will be different.  So enjoy each phase of the journey, try to lean towards the good, and give ourselves the best chance in what is a big challenge, but one that is worth trying. 
 I agree, we should enjoy each phase. Also agree that it's all good!

As for our rivals that have gone 10x, I am curious about who you are referring to.  
 bluesky, activitypub? 
 Are they really rivals to Nostr tho? 

I guess the answer differs based on what you want to use Nostr for. Personally, I don't see either of them offering foundational building blocks for the new Internet. 

IMHO, only Nostr provides self-sovereign cryptographic identities, web of trust, communication layer, and persistence layer - all of which are truly open and permissionless. That's why I think that Nostr is inevitable. 
 They would claim the same things of their stack, with some reasonable validity.  I was doing single sign-on with PKI on the ActivityPub stack in 2007 (which extends to the whole semantic web, solid, DIDs, FOAF etc.).  Each system has trade-offs.  But I agree nostr has a special combination, particularly, payments.

Ultimately turing complete is turing complete.  All the stacks will end up as turing complete.  Identity is not sigular it's a key ring of relations.  Some are further ahead on this than others.  Some have politics and so on.

Like you, I'm very bullish on nostr use cases, as a form of advanced innovation.  However, other stacks have gone 10x in user base, which unlocks other things such as sustainability etc. though perhaps with added politics. 
 Are you working on your projects alone Melvin or do you have a team? 
 More like fitting 10 jigsaw pieces together, each of which has a team that I interact with.  And a little bit of my own work + glue. 
 Do you see any way we (nostr) can streamline this?

I’m as bullish as you on the protocol despite people’s whinging, but I look at the dev path and see a lot to be desired too. 
 A decent community manager would be good.  To help new devs get started, for example. 
 Could they realistically operate across different dev projects? 
 Sure, why not 
 I’m not trying to be flippant, I’m asking for future planning 
 I realize that in theory similar things can be claimed, but do you see large numbers of users actually holding their keys on these networks? If not, then we are talking about different types of networks imo. 

Also, what's your take on the diversity of apps being built on the competing networks? On Nostr, we have just about every imaginable app type being built or at least attempted. I find this to be insanely bullish for Nostr.  
 For holding keys you'd need to look at IPFS + shitcoins + DID stack.  Though DID is creeping in to alot of places.  Tons of apps there, but I consider that proprietary.  Yet there is still innovation.  When you see games get to 10 million users in a month on other platforms, you realize that nostr as big competition.  You can make the argument it's apples and oranges, but there is an intersection.  Nostr has legit competition in social, and legit competition in payments.  We of course know it's proprietary shitcoins, but the users dont.  IPFS and protocol labs have their feet in both areas with investments in activitypub projects, bluesky and also their own premined tokens.  Even just looking at the old Luna project that went bust, had a very impressive set of apps.  I dont think nostr has every imaginable app.  There are few social games (e.g. words with friends), few prediction markets, few smart contracts, few market based apps.  Lots of good twitter clients, blog clients, zap stream is great, torrents.  But we've not replaced reddit, facebook, netflix, google, dont have cutting edge AI (ok maybe openagents).  There's not a really good chat app that competes with whatsapp/telegram which quickly goes to millions of users.  Unclear how far the infrastructure can go.  There is legit competition on all fronts, nostr is a niche space with high R&D, but plenty of folks doing lots of stuff out there.  Will be fun to see how it evolves.  What is true is that nostr is in the 1000s of users, and competitors are in the millions of users. 
 I think where nostr can really shine, is with tighter bitcoin integration.  That I think is really the super power. 
 Agreed. 
 And not with custodial solutions 😏 
 10x of 10 is 100.

Is that a win? 
 I don’t see #nostr as a social media competitor. It’s more like an independent socioeconomic layer that sits on top of, but not dependent on the internet. 
 Projects dont grow because they want only 10x  - #nostr wants everything :-)   
 Nostr is the protocol, the base project that sits under a lot of smaller projects.

I'd guess that at least 2/3 of the nostr projects have already failed. Some barely even brought a client to market before being wound up or fading into obscurity.

The most popular projects are smashing it by iterating & building on top of their successes. New projects for other use-cases are constantly sprouting up & fizzling out. Only the best survive, but the protocol remains & your npub allows you to play in them all with very little cost. The protocol & the idea is more resilient than the apps that are built on top to interact with it.

Nostr is inevitable, what's uncertain is how we'll all use it. 
 You think there is little cost, but that is because the costs are hidden from you.  The relay network is neglected and shrinking, and along with it, censorship resistance.  The issue with nostr, in fact with any social netowork, according to research, is that after some time there is a tendancy to free ride.  After that kicks in, cooperation decreases and there is a force to reduce.  Nostr is not inevitable.  It's rivals have grown 10x in the same time nostr has gone sideways, and the relay structure slowly dying.  It's a double loss, because you lose the relay, and you also lose a talented developer that might have helped the project.  In fact the cost of developer time is more than the cost of supporting the relays.  The problem with nostr is that the relays were intentionally starved of support, with the comment, "we dont need more relays".  Which is sad. 
 GOOD MORNING LET’S KEEP BUILDING 🫡 
 Gm 💜🫂 Keep it #Weirdstr 🔮✨️ 
 The use case for #nostr is sovereign infrastructure - far more compelling than social media. 
 Nostr is inevitable
Bitcoin is inevitable
Death is inevitable
Taxes are inevitable
The sun rising is inevitable

Me being tired of all the 'x is inevitable' shit is inevitable.

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 Absolutely. Our efforts can accelerate the arrival of that time. We need to keep trying different building paths. We need to stay decentralized, focused, and simple. LFG Nostr OGs. 
 All good things take time.

"X" needs to collapse first which will also happen at an unknown time, but the milieu over there is such a shitshow of undeclared bots, influencer idiocy and disinfo accounts regurgitating the same garbage day in & out that it may happen sooner than we think.

We'll see.

#media 
 It's my mission to help fuel and fan this flame. Let's go 🔥🔥🔥 
 It is definitely not inevitable. 
 Good morning Miljan 🌅🙏🫂💜🚀 
 gm miljan! 
 I’m super grateful for all your ground-breaking work. In addition to promoting NOSTR & Primal to my friends I hope to find more ways to contribute. 
 Gm 
 🙏 
 Gm 🫡💜 
 GOOD MORNING 🫡 
 When we say adoption -  from #nostr standpoint  - it is not the direct users  eg early adopters.  

Hundreds of existing platforms will move their backend(s) to #nostr - becaue nostr is database as well as the cloud. Their users won't even know ..  unless they go into settings to see that their user name has become an #npub and their password is an #nsec ... most applications wont even show it  .. 

nostr is backend of internet - like #bitcoin is the backend of finance .. 
 Towards a baby adoption step Muster our upcoming, ground up, sovereign, Web3 browser hooked to  Bitcoin will have the Nostr implementation by default.  
 Best bet would be work with the folks at odysee and integrate nostr with Arweave.  
 thr average person sits drooling on tick tok and insta all day, they don't even know what bitcoin is or that the dollar isn't on a gold standard.
to then get them on nostr and even educate them as to why censorship residence is important will take a decade or more and will still only capture the small percentage that have a half working brain  
 true, but even they will eventually end up on nostr because the next generation of tiktok & insta apps is going to be built on nostr.  
 drag them kicking and screaming 🔜 
 Gods timing is perfect. The adoption of #nostr must be organic and that takes time. But we are doing very well and  @primal is doing a great job in that adoption of the protocol. ✊  
 I personally believe that the only way for #Nostr to reach a critical mass of users will be only if a large social network with more media reach decides to use the protocol as its communication base. Otherwise, without all the necessary media, economic and advertising power, I do not see it feasible to achieve that goal. 
 Would any have an incentive to do this? 

Just thinking aloud.
I'd love Nostr to grow.  
 Economic incentive, I don’t think any. The only incentive to use the protocol would be to take away the responsibility of being held accountable to governments that ask for censorship or access to information that large social networks currently administer. Jack explained this in an interview months ago. 
 Makes sense. Yes. Thanks. They could truthfully answer "I'm unable to close this account".  
 So far they have looked for forms of cooperation, perhaps it is no longer their concern now. 
 GM 🤠🤙 
 LOTS of relay issues using default Primal. Frequently can't view/like/reply to posts, the feed loops the same 10 posts, etc. Android and Win10 
 Thanks for reporting. I will reach out via dm to investigate.  
 Mr May the notification for new follows be separate in the place of a group with only one line ? 
 The Primal relay is down for me. 
 Yep, super down. 😅

Thanks for reporting; we'll get it going shortly.  
 Fixed. Thanks! 
 @miljan how would you collect the necessary money to operate primal at scale? where's the income? 
 Gatekeeping and be solely Bitcoin is still the achilles heel of Nostr 
 what means "gatekeeping" here? 
 Restricts access or dismisses others' ideas, limiting open exchange between blockchain ecosystems. 
 Onward Sir 🫡 
 🫡💜 
 Precisamos de um “Watsapp” Nostr-. Quando este existir as formas de pagamento em Lightning vai ter uma explosão. 
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 morning bro  
 I think it depends on how many and how big will be mainstream social media fuckups. and they're definitely going to be  
 nostr is not a social media  
 I really hope so.

Doing my part. 
 Agree 100%, adopters shall spread the word, developers shall focus on providing easy to use, accessible and , problem-solving solutions that will drive and create decentralized communities. 🚀 
 I don´t need a "critical mass".

I like the intelligent people who are already here.

https://m.primal.net/JJxw.png  
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I keep hearing people wondering if Nostr is doomed or dead already because use growth isn't an up and right exponential trend. 

The web was invented in 1989! Let that sink in for a moment. It was a full 10 years before the first major internet bubble made "the web" mainstream.

Be patient. Keep building.

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 will the early adopters like us be famous?