Huge thanks to SimpleX's developer for coming through for the event!

Here's what he shared with us about the future of nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828:

-Moving off Github this year
-Flatpak support is coming very soon, like 1 week
-iPad Support this year
-Group chat on-board with 2-3 other users will eliminate the need for the admin to be online
-Will be getting rid of the "connecting" on initial sync and increase speed of on-boarding

With the new feature to hide IPs, the user is first sending it to a server they trust, which passes it to the other server.  How do users know who to trust?

The app will soon be able to differentiate infrastructure operators in these ways:
-several preset providers in the app next year
-operators can self-identify with certs, it's optional - this year
-using servers of people you are friends with or know - very soon
-A user asked about a directory - but it is not coming due to privacy and trust concerns it would create

To make the network financially sustainable and provide the commercial incentive to the operators they are designing the concept of "infrastructure vouchers" that are planned for 2026.
These vouchers will:

-Will be on a private blockchain maintained by the approved operators together with the app developer(s)
-Work like gift cards, except:
-Vouchers won't be transferable from 1 user to another
-No refunds
-No wallet
-Stays in-app
-Can't be used as external money to avoid compliance requirements
-One can buy vouchers with Monero (or other cryptocurrencies), as long as XMR remains legal
-Government fiat can be used
-Voucher sellers may be different than server operators (collectors)
-It won't be just the SimpleX team selling vouchers, some decentralization

Here's more details on his commercial model:
https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/blob/stable/docs/rfcs/2024-04-26-commercial-model.md

And if you haven't already seen the new version with slick UI, head over to https://simplex.chat


Why do you want your own blockchain?

Why didn't you go straight for lightning?


Because I specifically do not want to use any public currency blockchain - I want an accounting method, not money. There many useful legal differences when the flow of money is the opposite to the flow of cryptographic keys. Read the doc.


"private" blockchain even.


nostr:nprofile1qqsvnx99ww0sfall7gpv2jtz4ftc9v6wevgdd7g4hh7awkpfvwlezugpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhs38wxc9 One of the best


Will read it! Thx for your response! btw: I really enjoy using simplex!


Very cool! Flatpak support is exciting! Will nostr:nprofile1qqsvnx99ww0sfall7gpv2jtz4ftc9v6wevgdd7g4hh7awkpfvwlezugpydmhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef08ankcmmzv9kr6ctvdsxsudu2 become a "verified" developer on Flathub? Signal, LibreWolf, Bitwarden - none of these essential applications are verified on Flathub which is a bummer, and why I stick to using the rpms direct from dev


LN would certainly be a downgrade to the privacy Simplex offers. And it would potentially open up to new attack vectors.

And if we look at DNM. No one serious about their privacy uses LN for that specific use case.


Uh oh blockchain run for the hills.


What's this event?


Moving off GitHub how.


Why not say "we" instead of "I" and pretend there is a whole team behind nostr:nprofile1qqsvnx99ww0sfall7gpv2jtz4ftc9v6wevgdd7g4hh7awkpfvwlezugpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhs38wxc9 instead of just one person just a little longer.


From the doc "When the client wants to provision infrastructure resource [...]".

Clients don't provision infrastructure.


The software vendors root key is a single point of failure. Expect your detractors to feast on it in no time.

This won't work unless there's multitude of certificate issues and infrastructure providers accept a number of them. Not a problem unless you were counting on some sort of certificate monopoly to fund development.


Where can the new slick UI be seen? Haven't found it in the website


"cryptographic primitive is close to gift cards, that have zero monetary value"

Gift cards are used as currency in all sorts of "unofficial" contexts.


*issuers


From GitHub to where?


With "zero knowledge proofs" do you have something like e-cash type blind signatures in mind? Because the Wikipedia page that you link to doesn't list that.


Oh the group link below I guess. Let's see whether I can join.


Btw also money is an accounting method, nothing else.


He said private.


SimpleX is quite nice, though still not as reliable as Signal.

This post about project direction concerns me a little as it seems confused. What's all this about "XMR while it's legal" stuff? And accepting fiat payments etc? Gift cards are also regulated.

I suppose you could use Cosmos or Near to build your blockchain and I don't have any strong opinions against that.. but this whole compliance thing just seems plain stupid to me. Are you going to comply with Europe's Chat Control too, and all future versions of it?

Better that you adopt a minimalist blockchain like Grin ツ who's interactive nature seems lille a much better fit for chat.


I think the point is that they'll do a UI redesign soon but it isn't done yet


Because bitcoin has no binding contract functionality to enforce or do anything


Signal has a flatpak.  In fact, you can use the official distro repo AND flatpak for two identities

flatpak install flathub org.signal.Signal

it will add to your start menu, but also could do:
flatpak run org.signal.Signal


hey nostr:npub1g7lqk25fl24xd0zh7hr8jgp5smdy2eszjh9nmv7z7w85h6xcs9hq4u8yd9 it was a group Q&A in our simpleX chat.  I think me and you spoke in there earlier about IPFS not scaling.  And you were correct it does not.  I do still think there are some limited use cases and benefits to it, but IPFS will not be the mass adoption future at least in it's current form, I agree


Was a reference to the backgrounds on desktop and mobile being improved with the layout of the avatars/text


I believe codeberg was mentioned, but he can confirm this


I can not speak for the SimpleX dev on this, but nostr:npub1m5s9w4t03znyetxswhgq0ud7fq8ef8y3l4kscn2e8wkvmv42hh3qujgjl3 may potentially have a comment on grin with chat


Confused why mention monero or other cryptocurrencies then?


Huge thanks to SimpleX's developer for coming through for the event!

Here's what he shared with us about the future of nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828:

-Moving off Github this year
-Flatpak support is coming very soon, like 1 week
-iPad Support this year
-Group chat on-board with 2-3 other users will eliminate the need for the admin to be online
-Will be getting rid of the "connecting" on initial sync and increase speed of on-boarding

With the new feature to hide IPs, the user is first sending it to a server they trust, which passes it to the other server.  How do users know who to trust?

The app will soon be able to differentiate infrastructure operators in these ways:
-several preset providers in the app next year
-operators can self-identify with certs, it's optional - this year
-using servers of people you are friends with or know - very soon
-A user asked about a directory - but it is not coming due to privacy and trust concerns it would create

To make the network financially sustainable and provide the commercial incentive to the operators they are designing the concept of "infrastructure vouchers" that are planned for 2026.
These vouchers will:

-Will be on a private blockchain maintained by the approved operators together with the app developer(s)
-Work like gift cards, except:
-Vouchers won't be transferable from 1 user to another
-No refunds
-No wallet
-Stays in-app
-Can't be used as external money to avoid compliance requirements
-One can buy vouchers with Monero (or other cryptocurrencies), as long as XMR remains legal
-Government fiat can be used
-Voucher sellers may be different than server operators (collectors)
-It won't be just the SimpleX team selling vouchers, some decentralization

Here's more details on his commercial model:
https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/blob/stable/docs/rfcs/2024-04-26-commercial-model.md

And if you haven't already seen the new version with slick UI, head over to https://simplex.chat


Thanks. I tried connecting to the group via the link provided but it's stuck "connecting ...".

We're better off discussing here anyways.


Seems very solid/promising. XMPP is still my choice.


join our XMPP group =)


Where?


hit join group:
simplifiedprivacy@subscribe.simplifiedprivacy.is

Info:
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/xmppsub/index.html


Well, you probably know my general view on that, which is that you don't need to use a blockchain for chat or most things really. Chat doesn't require incentivization or global state consensus. Grin is fantastic and can be used for so much, world changing stuff, but I think chat is mostly a solved thing. SimpleX is working on ways to make it unbreakable, I hope they succeed.


Well, if Signal had adopted an established public blockchain for in-chat payments then, I can assure you, it would of easily became my go-to mobile wallet. But in it's current state with it's own coin, I couldn't care less. Signal argued that no existing coin met their UX expectations, though I profusely disagree on that.

What many people miss is that money is something you earn, spend and save. It has to be all three, not just something you HODL. And then there's the fourth and most important function of money.. money is social. I can pay my cousinr, who can pay his neighbor, who can pay the baker. It's the social aspect that gave bitcoin escape velocity.

Well, chat is social and the perfect rail for payments. No leaving the chat, just tap to pay directly within the chat, whether that's one to one or a family chat room.

But alas, there is this smell of compliance coming through and it's not good. You can't truly innovate in such an environment, rules are for breaking.

Psying service to regulators is ultimately going to push me away.