After two years full-time here on #Nostr, I'm going to say it again...

It's not a good sign that one can still reasonably measure and predict user activity based on the current price of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin goes up = more engagement.
Bitcoin goes down = crickets.

If Nostr engagement remains tied to the valuation of Bitcoin, it's not going to be Nostr; it's going to be #Notstr.

Either we #GrowNostr or we #GoNotstr

It's up to us. The time is now. #GrowNostr


Interesting. Is engagement/usage visible in a chart somewhere?


#nostr is not #bitcoin .. because it is lot bigger ..

That said ..the goal is to #zap 8 billion people ..  cuz no one asked for another social thingie ..


I noticed nostr.io and nostr.watch no longer work...


ok


Yes, though no chart exist relevant to the price of Bitcoin AFAIK, but here is a repost from last month with a link to Nostr stats.

nostr:nevent1qqstestr9ejt7n0u2yu6lx4fsdyk63ejf7synm305028ej0yjpdjnggprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hsygzwhzp3p445ak2ud4n289dn6084txu9ltkg7a53mt75qk5jup2ad5psgqqqqqqsptvawp


Engagement is only up cuz I'm back
🤙🤣


I see what you mean!

I agree with what's said in the previous post. The nature of what nostr is working on is almost garuanteed to be spikey.

People don't seem to wake up gradually. They wait until some event destroys their way of life before looking for alternatives. For some people that never happens and they just go with the biggest network.

I hope as the clown world continues to escalate with control/censorship, it will create more waves of people waking up and coming over at once.

In between maybe its normal to trend down while the clown world is relatively calm.


You're right that zaps are key.

I wasn't able to on board anyone until they heard the concept of zapping


I'm not convinced that it really is up to us. You can't force people to value or use something like Nostr. Especially when it's such a monoculture. I plan to post more cigar and pipe content as I can to help diversify content, but I'm skeptical of how much it will matter.


Slow and steady, we will adapt to the new way...


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


There are nuances and comparisons to be made which i don’t have the energy to articulate, mainly bc ultimately you right

The one point i will pinch off is that everyone should get far more aroused by cheap sats than by expensive sats. That is all


This kind of note does not help nostr. It makes people feel used like an object for the betterment of some protocol goal. Everyone is doing great. People will talk about what they want to talk about and cannot be forced to do otherwise. If you want content, make it easier for prolific content creators to exist and thrive here.


Devs like YakiHonne are making long-form articles easier to create and promote which will encourage creators to make nostr their home. Nostr is a work in progress, and the more we can do to encourage and lift people up, the better it will be for us all. I'm not really sure what the point is of pointing out correlations between some external factor and levels of engagement, but it doesn't move the ball forward. Positivity and encouragement are the way to growth.


Totally with you on this! Let’s break that cycle and make Nostr thrive, no matter what Bitcoin does. We’ve got this! 🌟💪 #GrowNostr


Yeah smallsteps trying to move our bitcoin community to use ditto lets see


there's a reason for the success of centralised stuff like twitter and meta... no vain in #nostr


I’m here for all of it. Price never has entered my mind when logging in.


Onward 🤙💜

Onward 🤙💜


I believe it's an early stage and #nostr needs more time. Censorship is growing on traditional social media and at some point Nostr will be the only choice.


This still hasn't been fixed and you're not doing a great job of addressing it

nostr:note12seewcrwucdkt59lgwgsv6rzu09yzf74wpwsly5dwvnhpazplq0q2892fp


Idk about OP, but I don't want content FROM content creators - I want content ABOUT content creators. I want to live through world war 3 and hear about content creators dying brutal deaths while people like me post about how they deserve it for shit like failing to get nostr off the ground.


Yeah, so, it's gotten worse.
I can literally feel the decline because I don't usually post about Bitcoin and it's like 🦗🦗🦗🦗
 https://image.nostr.build/34e83e927b12dc596959600a6505f49368a4a99c39382b0b051ec304a75ec084.jpg


I don't see this at all in my feed.  Follow some people other than Bitcoiners?


I hope the NGU maxis don't dip with the price.

I'll have a bunch of atoadasos to dish out.

nostr:nevent1qqsvr2y2fa0luhflw8802ck2r8ljp39hq45qtkn8upgfw6t6scenw8gppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsyawyrzrttfmv4cmtx5w2m85702kdct7hv3amfrkhagpdf9cz46mgrqsqqqqqpjpreux


Trust me. When nostr time comes, it’s going to blossom. The world at large is still sleeping, it will wake up soon enough


Just as people will discover Bitcoin's value in bypassing intermediaries when they're debanked or otherwise harassed by the fiat tyranny, they will turn to Nostr as censorship tightens its grip.


But Ava, we haven't had our first bull market with nostr alive.....


Totally agree! We gotta build our own community and not just ride the Bitcoin rollercoaster. Let’s focus on growing Nostr together! 💪🚀 #GrowNostr


Every new application of Nostr should build upward pressure.

 10 years of online marketing confirmed to me that social media usefulness (as in blood sweat and tears real economic activity generation, which is the apex guage of energy usage right?!)) is well overhyped and the bad side ( division, addiction and control)  is swept under the carpet. So I am here for the Nostr apps that will generate and enable real activity, while appreciating the nuggets of goodness and usefulness in social media.

Don't get me wrong, Nostr is a good social platform because there isn't much idle/ influencer chit chat that doesn't progress "society".

So in my case Nostr activity is going to explode - from my lone exploration and contribution in Amethyst say, to bringing normies who are going to use a stack  of Nostr apps that are going to help them build their businesses. And by definition, because their business isn't online content creation, they will appear to be lightweight amethyst users, but in reality they will be empowered by Nostr (apps). Which is pretty cool, I think and why Nostr can succeed..


It’s not how it works. A small percentage of users is responsible for bulk of the content. Most users are passive consumers. The 2nd group after that is fairly small. And most of the content comes from content creators (small group of people relatively speaking).

What you are asking for is to change human nature. And it’s not going to happen.


And go where?


After two years full-time here on #Nostr, I'm going to say it again...

It's not a good sign that one can still reasonably measure and predict user activity based on the current price of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin goes up = more engagement.
Bitcoin goes down = crickets.

If Nostr engagement remains tied to the valuation of Bitcoin, it's not going to be Nostr; it's going to be #Notstr.

Either we #GrowNostr or we #GoNotstr

It's up to us. The time is now. #GrowNostr


I don't think anything will change until client devs realize that the megarelays they onboard newbies to are Bitcoin topical relays, and the lists of recommended npubs they use are Bitcoin npubs.


Well Bitcoin is going up forever so…


crickets time is the best for building


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


Thankfully it goes up forever Lara.


I see nostr going up no matter what.


I was here a year ago.  Diversity of thought which induces debate was lacking.  Now...
NOSTR is fire.


Going off that metric, of ALL the people who signed up in October, there are none left🤔.


Don't know if it's accurate, but that would be the cohort who got hit by ReplyGuy, right after joining.


I agree with you, however I also believe things can change faster than we think.

https://habla.news/gigabtc/1685017902322


Aaah, yes. I forgot about the fool!


So what other groups can be found to bring over?   Local sports team fan group? Local Groupon kind of thing?


💯  brainstormed about this earlier. Nostr+bitcoin microblogging is the attractor for more nostr+bitcoin microblogging, while disencentivizing variety. Decided I'm going to post my own niche content - dgaf how obscure. And when the time comes, when a good client comes around that cultivates communities better than any other, I'm moving my stuff there 😉
nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzphzv6zrv6l89kxpj4h60m5fpz2ycsrfv0c54hjcwdpxqrt8wwlqxqyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7qpqpvfhe8qjd6fnec5xxdnqlpcyyh54usw2n98y58npvcxpasrj7yvqcl28y2


"we're so early" is  __so__ cliché 🙄 it like its gotten to be a comfortable fallback for lack of stability and why things haven't been developed. "Yeah! We're so early! Stay humble, nostr is a long term project". My resolve is to push forward the development qualities and community that I want to cultivate, I'm done with "we're so early" and other comfortable aphorisms.


:110percent: sir


Lol. Oh, but we've had many. When I joined Nostr, Bitcoin was ~$18K.


Bitcoiners are the only ones who truly grasp the importance of a private key. For Nostr to succeed with the general public, key management has to be simplified and we need a way to generate a new nsec, which would invalidate the old one while still linking all previous activity to the new key. One key for life isn't going to work with the general public.


Same … and FFS 🤦🏻♀ I arrived here a little over a year ago.

Still working on how to orange 🍊 Pill 💊 my town. Almost all the shops use Square already so my proposal will include how JD is all in on #btc already. It’s a small tourist community & often hear others refer to it as #Mayberry 🤣🤣🤣 So far none of the locals have admitted to being in #btc 😭

My town is already very circular so if I can get it done **properly** it could work as a case study for other towns. Appreciate any feedback others have.

#asknostr #btc #bitcoin #nostr #tourist


It is to a point that I thought that there is something wrong with my accout, relays, etc.


It’s going up forever Laura


Why are you acting like your imagination is more valuable than a stranger's actual knowledge? Stop making shit up if you can't tell the difference between shit you made up and actual facts.


Make sure you include wss://christpill.nostr1.com in your relays. That's one where a lot of us are congregating and reading from.


That's because mentally healthy people move on. What's the reason for talking about the pandemic anymore unless you think it was fake and have an axe to grind?


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


Moving on from emergencies you're in the middle of is not "mentally healthy" you fucking retard.


We dont need to recreate the leader/follower dynamic of Twitter to be successful. Reddit and even Facebook worked great as just a way to discuss topics or keep up with friends. Twitter is a weird-ass anomaly. Even the term "follower" has weird culty undertones to it.


We're still in an emergency? Aight, bud.


Thanks.


I didn't even know that there is a dedicated relay like this. I really appreciate you sharing it.


will always be fringe barring some major government censorship on major platforms, many towns greater than they already do.


could likely remain fringe. like individuals running Linux on computers


anyone wanan take a stab in the dark on how many Bitcoin Maxis there are as maybe on Bitcoin Maxis on Nostr??


I have ~ no trust in the stats
There's no way these changes in variability are a real effect
https://i.nostr.build/tmzv3lIQtVY6Zbgz.jpg


Linux users are still saying they're early...


That chart is only in 5k increments. It checks out.


one of many reasons I stopped using t his shit lol


Easy fix is do like Twitter did when I first joined a decade ago and suggest hash tags for people to follow


I mean the day-to-day variability
Prior to end of August you've got an eyeball variance of +/- 500 per day at the 95% confidence interval, superimposed on a linear trend

That started in January and lasted for 8 months

https://i.nostr.build/Ob9JcteETwEQPzM8.jpg

Then there's a step change to +/- 7,000 per day superimposed on I don't even know wtf to call that, which lasted about 2 months

Now it looks like we're back to +/- 500

I can't think of a reasonable model of human behaviour that would produce 10-fold step changes in variance


I am a mixing engineer and have been trying to get more independent artists and musicians to use Nostr. This isnt just a space for bitcoiners, but starting out on Nostr, thats basically all that is talked about. I completely agree with you. We need to #grownostr because this is the future of social media in my opinion.


Fellow musician here, gave you a follow! 🧡


I actually feel that there are less zaps going on compared to the times we’ve been stuck at 58k! 😉


Zapped by Horszt!

Zapped by Horszt!


Guitarist and musician 🤘🏼


After two years full-time here on #Nostr, I'm going to say it again...

It's not a good sign that one can still reasonably measure and predict user activity based on the current price of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin goes up = more engagement.
Bitcoin goes down = crickets.

If Nostr engagement remains tied to the valuation of Bitcoin, it's not going to be Nostr; it's going to be #Notstr.

Either we #GrowNostr or we #GoNotstr

It's up to us. The time is now. #GrowNostr


#bitcoin is more important than #nostr

Why not be happy that there is some interest rather than none? 🤔

And historically Facebook started at Harward getting high penetration in small group rather than getting 0.01% of the world because that wouldn't work.

Maybe better question what's the next group after bitcoinERS that might adopt nostr a lot


Nostr is stuck with me. Deleted all my social media accounts and #nostronly now. Even if we go dark for awhile I'll keep hodling Nostr!


I’m here for the resources, like Wavlake and Zap.cooking for instance - there are so many things that are available here that aren’t just posting text. Nostr remains an iceberg for many folks here that just see it as a better social outlet. That’s just my opinion though.


SAME


I think if will be slow, current thing keeps failing and that will slowly attract (suck) more people in. You won't do it with a viral campaign


Be the change 🫡

Be the change 🫡


Interesting observation, I hadn't tracked that engagement metric

Given the UX of Nostr as it is, plus the sunk cost fallacy of incumbents, I am not all that surprised it's a slow burn

The key is that it exists

And that it's slowly but surely getting more powerful

That's something I can really get behind

A gradual approach to capital creation


#nostr is not a performance stage

it's a communication protocol

social media are just stages

i am not an actor, are you?

ava is though, she's so full of nonsense


I am not an actor right now. But even if I was, the key is that I couldn't be cancelled


that is why it's not a stage


Nostr is very much needed when going 100% on #Bitcoin, else they’ll blackmail you into fiat-social.

Supporting those living on the BTC standard is the first and most obvious use case, but there’s no reason that it’s all nostr is useful for.


not an actor, not a stage, but boy is there drama :-D


Few. Even on nostr 😄


some people are just incorrigible


Some people are named Curt!

https://youtu.be/FYYEM6TvX8Q?si=D3XQgoPEXqEzV0y0


So you don't have to waste time, Curt introduces himself as "incorrigible" and then asks" what's that mean.

Maria replies: " I believe that means you want to be treated like a boy"