The German politicians told German men that Heimat isn't a real thing, Germans should improve the world by dying off, marriage is just a piece of paper, and Germans don't have any culture, anyway.

And now they want German men to fight in their military and the men are like,

Fight for what, tho? 🤔


Not to mention how we've spend literal decades on Außenpolitik/foreign affairs instead of taking a look inwards.
Not much left of it now imho.


I would never fight for them … the only reason to fight is for family and friends! 🫂💜


With Germany's terrible war records, I'm a bit leary about them fighting on the same side this time...


Well, they thought destroying nationalism would make people indifferent about their own fates or the well-being of their loved ones, but it seems to mostly have removed a layer and collapsed loyalty down to ethnic groups and individual regions or Länder.

People don't stop wanting to organize with the like-minded and their neighbors, just because you dissolve the borders. They want to organize even harder because they see how useless or even destructive the national government has become.

It's like, they can't even protect the borders.
https://c.tenor.com/WWVi9fWzzD4AAAAd/tenor.gif


2015/2016 was quite wild - and a massive political flop.
2020/2021 was very unique - and a desaster.

I see a pattern and I am not sure if I like it. o-o


A nation state is defined by the borders it controls. There is simply no point to a nation state without borders, and I think everyone now knows that, regardless of whether they are happy or sad about it.

The main political differentiation now is mostly

Yay, nation state gone! ☺
Nooo, nation state gone! 😢

Everything else is just noise.


I'd take the military training.


What we have now is schizophrenic politics:
1) There are no borders, until there is a bad flu and then they seal them within 24 hours.
2) It is impossible to track down and detain violent foreign criminals, but the prisons contain people arrested for wrong-think or for not paying their radio fees.
3) There is no German identity, but we must rush to get everyone a German passport, so that they can identify as German.
4) We need more children, but only if they don't have German parents, and arrive as fully-formed adults.
5) The government solves no problems, but we should pay more taxes.
6) The climate regulations drive windmill and solar panel builders out of the country.
Etc. Etc. Etc.


I think it’s a good idea start to offer Jews land in Germany instead of having the Palestinians be ethnically cleansed


Self hatred is a national sport


Fight for western values aka the profits of the oligarchs


A lot of people in Israel are German citizens and can return at any time.
But they might not want to come back because Germany has now imported a lot of angry Palestinians.


I’d there’s a god
He would say that’s a good thing to do


Thanks to Germans


You forgot the "very".
They are _very_ angry palestinians. And, may I add, they have a very strong point there.


Maybe. Still don't want them around.
Nothing dumber than importing BOTH SIDES from foreign wars.

We keep doing that. That's why the Eritrean street fights happen, for instance.


Germany and the EU should stop fucking with Africa.
That’s a good start to slowing down and one day ending the movements


Had some in town a few months ago.
Policemen were like "tf why" XD


We be like,

Oh, no! Those people from Whateverland are fighting for decades, absolutely despise each other and blame us for all of their problems, and now a huge war has broken out. 😱

Let's move them all to Germany, so that they can fight in more comfortable surroundings, have 30 days paid vacation, and scream at us at closer range. ☺


Your government loves you. Be grateful!!


It would take about five minutes and cost €0 to slow and eventually reverse the movement.
As we have seen.

https://i.nostr.build/nWAZq.png


Germany hasn’t  had a good run really, Weimar, Hitler, East/West split, Stasi etc…

You folks did make some very good microphones though… oh and tape and some nice cars.


I’m sure huge Cost savings but for sure they’re pissing away any savings on funding other crimes against humanity


Also, the idea that people from a crappy neighborhood wouldn't prefer to live in a much better neighborhood, is unrealistic. Europe is already much better because of the climate and vegetation and public infrastructure.

If you let them come here, they will continue to come, so long as their home country isn't better.


Middle Europe, in general, has been down on it's luck. Everyone marches through.


They’re benefitting by increasing their powers as people coming in believe a somewhat functioning democratic government is better than what they have at home.


You're trying to link two disparate things and I'm not having it. We don't have to solve for world peace and export feminist foreign policy to Namibia, prior to closing the border to mass immigration.

We can just close it, right this minute, and then consider what to do next.


They are right, it is better.


If anything, importing people from all of these different countries has just forced Germany to meddle in the politics from all of the sending countries, to reduce the flow of immigrants by "solving the problems in the sending countries".

The immigrants come in, the diplomats and soldiers go out.


That I'm too arrogant to engage in.


Same thing happening in the US and the entire western world. At least if you're any lighter skinned than a tanned Mediterranean sailor.

What's worse is that it's half true. Our culture was robbed from most of us by the government schools.


Borders are just lines on a map, why shouldn't people move freely across them?


Yes. The lack of consistency is really exhausting, but that is intentional:

”In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
Theodore Dalrymple”


Hmmm. I’m seeing a pattern here. Seems like this is the story with a lot of governments. Hmmm.

No, it must be my imagination.


Real borders always were ethnic, which is why everything turned to shit when the British started redrawing them... 😂

Then the US did it.


Why don't you go test that theory somewhere that real ones still exist...


Without using trained killers to force them open for you though.


I agree, which explains the difference between the administrative EU borders and the real Schengen borders within which you can move freely.

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It's been particularly surreal for me, having been raised as a black girl, to grow up and have people yelling at me that I'm LITERALLY HITLER because I don't hate German people hard enough. 😄

Like they turned the brown paper bag test 180°.


That is absolutely on point!!


Fuuuuuuuck i keep forgetting just how absolutely massive France is o.o... Damn.


What you are really arguing for is that you can travel where you want but others should be restricted based on some arbitrary criteria.


Bullshit, I never said I had any right to go into someone else's territory unmolested.  😂

That would be you.


Arbitrary? No, it's because you aren't them & they don't want you there.


But go ahead & test it. 🤣


So stay home and don't leave your house then.


Ok retard.


I'm arguing for property rights being respected.


I don't have to justify to anyone why some particular person shall not be allowed on my property. The same rule goes for communally-held property.

Trespass at your own risk.


When people travel to different countries, the don't violate property rights.


Right to travel does not equate to right to be accepted by the locals. Down to them refusing to sell you land and refusing to sell you building materials and food if one of their number does sell you land. In the absence of laws regulating discrimination that would happen some places.

Sincerely a local from a part of the world where if you moved here tomorrow your descendants might be considered locals in 100 years. Maybe.


I am not arguing that it is. So you agree we all should have equal right to travel across borders unhindered?


Nope. I'm from Texas.
We shoot trespassers first and ask questions, later.


I guess. Good luck to you if the people whose border you want to cross don’t want you there and you decide to fight it out with them. Hope it works out ok for you. Not that it’s my business one way or the other. Unless you’re talking about where I’m from and then if I’m forced to pick a side it won’t be on theoretical principles. It will be based on who I’m related to. Whether that’s an illegal immigrant from another country or a legal one from New York, Ohio or Pennsylvania.


The literally do. A border is just some entity's property line.


Also in the absence of government owned “public” property there would be places that would have no “public” property and right to travel might be restricted just to people from the area by the ownership instead of open to all. I guess that’s the real question. Is any government ownership of property legitimate given there funding mechanisms or is it all ill gotten gains from criminal activity. Speaking of taxes. While education is one of the biggest line items at the state and local levels it’s not immediately clear to me why people should have the right to move into an area en masse and necessitate all sorts of previously unneeded infrastructure. Including maintenance and staffing of the infrastructure. Especially if they immediately get the vote and can start voting to raise the taxes of people whose families have been paying in to build and then maintain what was previously enough infrastructure for the population.


Paying in for generations I mean. I went to elementary school in the same building my grandparents did. Now there’s a dozen new schools in the county and property taxes are higher than ever. That’s all from legal immigrants. I wonder how many new teachers that is. Yeah people moving here en masse is great.


Whose exactly? A country is just a name for a place on a map with lines squiggled around it. No property rights are broken crossing them. A country isn't the same as private property. People have a god given right to travel the realm freely.


Why should someone be denied crossing a border because someone doesn't like them? Isn't that bigoted?  Passports haven't even been around for a 100 years, there's no such thing as an illegal immigrant. That statist communist speak.


Now you are talking, freedom of movement and government theft and social welfare are separate things. Hence why we need plan B.


Well the "community" you are in says otherwise. Not only that, they should get lots of tax payer benefits too.


Are we talking setting up shop in an existing community or starting a new community in the boonies? Its unrealistic to expect people to not react in certain ways to their community being changed without their input. And it will change. If for no other reason that more people means more problems simply in terms of needed infrastructure and the fact that a certain number of people just aren’t going to get on board with societal norms for whatever reason.


People have the right to be bigoted. I'm not the thought police.

Their property, their business. Their home, their castle.


The Open Borders movement is a branch off of the Communist International and a step toward One World Government.

Don't need borders, if the UN and the WEF rule everyone, everywhere.


That's how it is with communal property. You do not have to protect and maintain it, alone, but you also don't get to direct its usage, alone.


I'm talking if someone packs up, moves to your town, rents a house, looks for work etc.. why is it a problem? Regardless where they are from?


Every country is already under control of the communist cabal and people were free to travel in the past, whats changed?


It belongs to the one willing to defend it, like all property. That is usually whoever is already in possession of it.

Property rights trump freedom of movement.


Transportion became much cheaper and more efficient, through things like automobiles, large steel ships, and air flight, so people started arriving in larger numbers from further away.

Yes, and the first thing they did was give us the EU and dissolve the internal borders. That's how they roll.
Ethnic property rights are a brake on international communism. And always have been.


Again, you are assuming anyone needs to answer to you. They don't need a "good" reason to protect their own land.


Individually? It’s not. When you’re talking about doubling, or more, the population over the course of 20 years it becomes a problem. That person should also accept that they aren’t a part of the community in the way that someone from there is and they need to accept being treated differently by people until they assimilate which might take a few years, a few decades or a few generations.

I’m not even saying they need to be forced out. Just don’t expect people to like their community changing or be nice and accepting of the people doing the changing. I would be down with anyone trying to force that acceptance being forced out.


Especially if you move to small town/rural area and not a city that already had 100,000 people in it.


They didn't desolve the borders and they are still manned within the EU.


It's just a discussion, no one says you need a good reason to protect your land. But that's not what you are doing. You are saying people shouldn't be allowed to cross borders and move freely if they like, only you can.


There are usually natural limits such as housing and number of jobs.


Only the people who own the land have the right to cross the land. Everyone else has to ask for permission and their request may be rejected for any reason.

This does not change, merely because the people who own the land are a group.


They can just terrify the locals and take their houses, when they move away. That's the usual path.


You said themselves that they are now merely lines on a map.


Tell that to the people who are coming in and putting in 1000s of houses every year. In the county I live in I mean. Hell the mayor in one of the small towns near me is *bragging* about getting ready to double the population in a 5 year period.

Why shouldn’t the locals feel a certain way about that? The ones that aren’t getting kick backs from land developers I mean.


I think those limits don’t apply in a system where the banks just throw loans at people because they can just create the money that they loan out.


There’s a beautiful book called Heimat by Nora Krug. It’s a comic,but with a very touching history of belonging and identity. I think you might like it. Give it a try. 😘


Importing migrants is an attack on Germany and the rest of Europe, and has already diluted the culture and heritage. Migrant invasions are now occurring in USA for same purpose. Goal is a proletariat over which to rule globally.


Fascinating


Isn't that an issue with the mayor then?


If they were smart they would aim their hatred towards where it's deserved: their government.

👏 The people are not their murderous governments 👏


Using the same logic, I can choose not to recognise your ownership of the land.


They are arbitrary lines on a map that change many times in history. Some people take meaning from them, others see them for what they are, just lines.


You don't need nation states to keep people out. Example: instead of protecting its borders like it wants to, Texas cows to the Feds.

I would like to add that sovereign nation states are already dead, which is a fact exploited by globalists, if the plandemic hasn't already made that completely obvious.


Yes, so come and take it.

Property rights don't need to be recognised to exist. That is why they are natural rights.


All tax is theft so there's that


Texas is a state in a federation.


Damn


All governments rule at the consent of the governed.


So is freedom of movement.


It's a federation in name only. Texas is a region in the (dead) US nation state. Once it re-asserts some sovereignty, then I would agree.


Exactly, and people must remove their consent.


Natural rights have natural consequences. Move across my land without permission and see what happens.


And this is usually why some form of government, preferably very limited in scope is required.

Every one has a right to move freely.

Every also has a right to property.

The US has often ignored the right to movement. Property owners can prohibit others from their property entirely. And driving is treated a "privilege" that can be revoked.

Other nations try to strike a balance. Where one can traverse a property but not damage it or cause a permanent change.

Rights WILL conflict with another. Some rights take priority over other rights. Some rights only exist as a consequence of other rights (for example, life is the ultimate right. Without it no other right can exist).

The proper role of government is to protect one's rights. Part of this is solving the conflicts that occur when rights conflict with one another.


I'm just a traveling Bard, I can sing a song .

 https://image.nostr.build/10c6f81881214063a1e506bbf5edcb3fbf5fb86e400b26da4706bd8e0a22ac74.jpg


Funny how many animal species understand & yet so many humans seem not to... 🤣


And the animals seem not to need .gov...


The government is there to enforce the "free movement over other people's property without getting shot, speared, or mauled" right.


That's the theory...


One they've been failing at recently. 🤣


Why germany should offer jews land in germany? What a stupid idea


And why only men and not alle 60 genders?
And when the germans will go on the streets to stop this way into destruction?


Because they'd have to change the Basic Law for that and there's no majority for that change.


The majority of Germans want this.


Germany is getting more and more stupid.
On the one side more and more genders,but now the letters will send to every man and woman from Pistorius...
And in other situations you got trouble for the wrong gender.. Discrimination..