Reminder that there's a dev call this morning (or whatever time it might be for you) at 15:00 UTC. nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq35amnwvaz7tms09exzmtfvshxv6tpw34xze3wvdhk6tcpr9mhxue69uhhwetvvdhk6efwdehhxarj9emkjmn99uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt4w35ku7thv9kxcet59e3k7mf0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcpz9mhxue69uhnzdps9enrw73wd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8xar0dejhytnrdakj7qgcwaehxw309ahx7umywf5hvefwv9c8qtmjv4kxz7gqyz2cka22r577td0v5rlrr5k42h69zvjlsjv2s0dpn9ahln2u885gc2l9g8e  convinced me to use hivetalk instead of nests, so please use this link:

https://hivetalk.org/join/84612WeakBrick

Agenda is: bring your own. Hope to see lots of you there.


I can't attend, but I would bring up two problems I see often which could be discussed.

1. Not receiving DMs
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2. Big following-you numbers causing problems
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What following big numbers? Could you clarify please?


The number of people who are following you 😃 your follows


why not nostr nests?


😂😅☺🙈 I don’t see them. It shows me 0 before 😂😂😂


See you there!


lol you have more than 0 for sure!
https://nostr.band/npub13ajk3hhvqys2ev4y68jwxywgs8fsdsuk4y5gkzs874jdyrccvf5qak2yd9


No, the other way round, I follow a lot of people.


Oh damn, me stupid


Apparently audio cuts out. I vastly prefer its design, but I guess it can be a showstopper.


What’s hivetalk?


I probably won’t make it :(

One big question id pose to everyone is: how do we get the non-bitcoiners on here?


I woke up late 😭 made it for the last 10 mins, if you found any bugs or suggestions pls let nostr:npub18pudjhdhhp2v8gxnkttt00um729nv93tuepjda2jrwn3eua5tf5s80a699 know 🫂🫂 hope it was smooth!!


Hey sleepy, does it cut out for you only or others too? Would be nice to have some details regarding this.


The bigger issues:

- Nostr login wasn't working
- When people joined, their mics and video were automatically turned on
- Lots of confusion about how to turn sounds off

Other than that, I don't particularly love the app. There's lots of visual cruft (tons of icons that aren't clear, floating windows, controls that reduce information density in chat). I don't know how much of this is a carry over from upstream, but if nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7cnjvghxjme0qyt8wumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcpremhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet59uq32amnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdau8gu3wv3jhvtcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qg6waehxw309ahx7um5wgh85etzv4jx2efwvdkx7aty9uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9uq3vamnwvaz7tmgd9ehgtnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0qqsrs7xetkmms4xr5rfm944hh7dl9zekzc47vsex74fphfcu7w6956gs5806x  is planning on a redesign, I would make a google meet or jitsi clone. Opinionated and minimal design is way better than having all the bells and whistles for good UX.

A video chat clone that works with nostr is awesome, and much needed, but is also a different use case from something like nests. I think nests has it perfect (in particular having people on stage vs in the audience), except it would be nice to have a "presenter" who can share his video or screen. No need for many concurrent presenters, but having an option to do video would help at times nostr:nprofile1qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcctwvshszxnhwden5te0vfhhxarj9ekx2cm5w4exjene9ehx2ap0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qqsph3c2q9yt8uckmgelu0yf7glruudvfluesqn7cuftjpwdynm2gygxd6wus

So it doesn't get obscured by my complaints: great work nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7cnjvghxjme0qyt8wumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcpremhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet59uq32amnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdau8gu3wv3jhvtcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qg6waehxw309ahx7um5wgh85etzv4jx2efwvdkx7aty9uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9uq3vamnwvaz7tmgd9ehgtnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0qqsrs7xetkmms4xr5rfm944hh7dl9zekzc47vsex74fphfcu7w6956gs5806x ! Hivetalk is an important project.


The top feedback - is this for nests? Is nests too visually complex?


Top feedback was for hivetalk which is what we used this morning


Thanks for clarification. I don’t think it’s a secret that I designed nests, so I want to hear honest feedback whenever possible so that I can improve things. I don’t always get it right 😔


it’s an old bug that never got squashed, I’ve tried multiple times to have convos with the likes of nostr:npub1jzuma368395gu523y4vk4d34p0lxgctk436hggn4qcuj93075qgqtn3vm0 & nostr:npub1mu9wmykl7qx5llk69axd3rvk0hzhdd25jsqtj2hmnzjpn2sxum6s8jjj0t and it never seems to work out, it’s the “presence bug”


So it happened to all 3 of you? Whenever anyone speaks?


Awesome!! Thanks for the feedback!! It’s in alpha so definitely far from perfect, she works hard and fast so I don’t doubt she’ll have it up and ready to go for the masses soon enough 🫂 thanks for testing it out!! Great feedback!!


happens whenever I open a nest with one of them in the hopes of sharing the link and inviting others in, before we do someone’s presence is always removed sometimes it’s me sometimes it’s one of them, and then you refresh, come back in and couple seconds later it happens again someone’s presence leaves n they’re left speaking to themselves..

I’m free most of the day if you wanna test it out with me


Ok, Ty. It’ll have to be when I wake up, head on pillow atm. Tagging nostr:npub1v0lxxxxutpvrelsksy8cdhgfux9l6a42hsj2qzquu2zk7vc9qnkszrqj49 in case he can get some hints from your feedback 💪

I’ll ping ya again in the am if you’re still around and available. How does that sound?


That sounds great!! I’m looking forward to it 🫂 have a goodnight my fren! 💤


Yeah it happens to me and nostr:npub17ranr5vpp20etheaz78u6e72pvyc0xk3r6rgnetfvtxc88acat2q4nhenz so often we can't use it anymore


I've heard tell it may be related to nests asking for permission and the user denying it.


From the signer that is


Well you did a darn fine job sir. I already said this, but a way to share video/screen is the only thing I feel is missing right now.


And like not even for everyone either.

Whenever I got on a best with nostr:npub1jk9h2jsa8hjmtm9qlcca942473gnyhuynz5rmgve0dlu6hpeazxqc3lqz7 it worked fine. I could hear him. He could hear me.
I could hear everyone.

If nostr:npub1mu9wmykl7qx5llk69axd3rvk0hzhdd25jsqtj2hmnzjpn2sxum6s8jjj0t was on a best with me it didn't matter who was the host or what. As soon as I start speaking I can't hear anyone else. I refresh. People hear me then I drop and come back even when not refreshing.

Every issue possible happens to me and the entire time. I could be on a best with sleepy for hours fine. And on with new1 only to quit out of frustration within 45 mins it so is troubleshooting.


Reminder that there's a dev call this morning (or whatever time it might be for you) at 15:00 UTC. nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq35amnwvaz7tms09exzmtfvshxv6tpw34xze3wvdhk6tcpr9mhxue69uhhwetvvdhk6efwdehhxarj9emkjmn99uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt4w35ku7thv9kxcet59e3k7mf0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcpz9mhxue69uhnzdps9enrw73wd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8xar0dejhytnrdakj7qgcwaehxw309ahx7umywf5hvefwv9c8qtmjv4kxz7gqyz2cka22r577td0v5rlrr5k42h69zvjlsjv2s0dpn9ahln2u885gc2l9g8e  convinced me to use hivetalk instead of nests, so please use this link:

https://hivetalk.org/join/84612WeakBrick

Agenda is: bring your own. Hope to see lots of you there.


Thanks @hodlbod for the feedback, I really wasn't expecting that many people to be using it at all this morning!??? The nostr-login module appears to be having issues fetching user data, will have look into it.

It probably would have been better if the login process was not a nostrband nostr-login module dependency but i squeezed this out in record time to get it ready for btcprague since @benarc wanted it out there.

any node.js folks who wanna help i could use it to make this better as I am not a full time dev

cc: npub1xdtducdnjerex88gkg2qk2atsdlqsyxqaag4h05jmcpyspqt30wscmntxy


No worries, I'm no stranger to timing bugs in the worst way possible. My hunch about the failed login is that is has to do with relay selections.


I thought the entire point of nests was to be a twitter spaces clone, so no video?


no reason not to make nests better than spaces


You wouldn’t believe it.. but twitter spaces now have video 🤣


For real?


Yup it’s been out since February


This can be added actually 🥹


you assume video is a good thing without any proof

even if it was, there are always tradeoffs, from complexity of implementation to bandwidth requirements and perhaps even cultural effects (different kinds of people tend to prefer video over audio and vice-versa, and the same people behave differently in different media)


It's just, like, my opinion man


What do you mean “you assume video is a good thing without any proof” lmao

It’s ok to like something without scientific data to back up your wants and likes.

Is that how you approach girls 😅

Chillax.