Oddbean new post about login | logout #AprilRelayRevolution - I will stop using Blastr for the month of April and will only try to use smaller relays. If we collectively want Nostr to get more decentralized, then we must put actions behind our words. The Outbox / Gossip model is the end goal. Join me.
How is having your notes on fewer relays more decentralized than blasting them to hundreds of relays?
if most people use the same small subset of relays then we've failed. if most people use blastr then we've failed. blastr is a crutch.
Define "small subset." And how is it a failure of anything to use blastr and ensure that your notes are in as many relays as possible? That is far more decentralized than having my notes only on a couple of small and less reliable relays like your suggesting.
nostr wasn't designed to have everyone use blastr to distribute their notes across every relay. not all relays want to host notes from everyone. this increases storage and resource costs for relay operators. it's not a problem now, but it becomes a problem if we hit 1M active users.
From a user perspective, blastr is insurance against finicky or unreliable relays and relay operators. It ensures redundancy of users' data so that even if many relays go down, your notes still exist somewhere and likely somewhere others will find them. Outbox model ensures your notes are findable wherever they are, even if on a single obscure relay. But Outbox does nothing to solve for redundancy of your data, from my understanding. With most users onboarding via mobile app clients using a small number of bootstrap relays, I don't see Outbox as being a magic bullet that instantly decentralizes user data and ensures it's redundancy. Blastr does. Maybe you see it as a crutch, but I see it as an extremely useful tool and if some relay operators don't want to host all that data, then all the more reason to blast it out to more redundant relays. Outbox sounds very useful, but it doesn't solve for some things users need.
I like the idea of doing this in order to find weaknesses, report issues, amd strengthen relays and clients as a whole. Doesn’t mean it’s how we should always use it to get proper distribution of our notes, but it’s early enough that those of us who want to can help kick more tires. And then also make more blastrs to reduce centralization failures 🤷♂️
Joke is on you. I don't even know what blastr is!
It's a relay that broadcasts all of your notes to many other relays.
brand new user here, starting with primal...suggestions in what relays to use?
Honestly it doesn't matter all that much. Primal uses a caching service. Just engage and embrace the notes 🤙🏻💜🫂
Awesome thanks! And any reason why when I tried to activate my primal wallet it says it in the activation email it can't activate based on my info? I don't think it matters as I think I got alby to work instead (haven't tested though)
im not sure. are you in canada or new york state? primal uses Strike. if Strike doesn't work in your jurisdiction, then Primal wallet won't either.
What about average size relays?
they're acceptable.
Can we have everyone say what size their relay is? Make it easier 😜
Sure. My relay is a Nostream docker container running on an i7 8650 with 16GB of RAM. I'd consider this average sized.
It's not about size, it's about performance....
My wife uses my relay and it allows her to get the job done, posting her notes and events.
En fait j'ai bien suivi les échanges et de la nécessité d'utilisation des petits relais pour éviter que la plate-forme finisse infine centralisée mais du côté utilisateurs que devrions faire..? Puisque les habitudes sont complexes à changer.. Peut être faire un matraquage sur la nécessité d'une plate-forme purement décentralisée tel était l'objectif visé et se devrait de l'être !?
C'est ce que j'ai dû comprendre effectivement suite à 2 notes redondantes de fiatjat suivie' de celle de Jack que d'une part il y a un besoin impératif d'équilibre entre les relais afin d'éviter que le notion de decentration est né soit chimérique, et il me semble qu'il y a aussi ait un besoin de stockage prégnant des données en notes évoqué par Vitor Pamplona il y a à peu près 9 mois environ. Quant au stockage non solutionné ça pourrait être par les utilisateurs via des disques durs si nécessaires.. Si vraiment c'est un aspect important.. Tout en sachant que le cloud à un certain niveau d'utilisation on paie depuis 2 ans environ... L'idéal serait de doter individuellement des disques durs 1 ou 2 To..si l'on tient à la conservation compréhensible conserver fait partie de notre histoire .. Cet point n'a plus été soulevé.. je vous remercie.. Super de votre part pour ce feedback 🙏🙏
At least it's getting used, some people's relays get very little use.
Le comportement humain un peu grégaire.. plus on est *nombreux plus on *rigole juste récréatif...faites nous des suggestions pour résoudre ce frein à la *notion de décentralisation * complète... Le cloud est devenu payant au fur des années et coûte annuellement plus cher que les disques durs 1 to ou 2
cryptowolf free public relay coming soon
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Am I understanding it correctly that you can kind of mimic Outbox with Amethyst's relay settings? As in choosing to write & read from different sources?
You can configure your relays in that manner, but Amethyst isn't going to connect to relays and fetch notes from people that you follow unless their relay is already configured in your settings.
I’m afraid even less ppl are going to see my notes if I would do that… meanwhile I did start my own relay so there’s that 💁🏻♂️
that's possible and more probable than not. i too will have less reach. the whole reason i've been using blastr for the last year was to extend my reach. however, i realize that there are greater issues at hand here than reaching people. this experiment is worth the risk and reduced reach. we need to make nostr stronger and more resilient.
I should run a non-private relay sometime in the future when I setup my homeland.
This is Greek to me...
For a brief introduction to this topic, check out @JeffG's post https://habla.news/u/jeffg.fyi/1711468354646
Totally right!
That's fine. At least I won't be the one adding to centralization. I'll be able to say that I did my part. 😁
never underestimate the power of one bozo with a just goal.
It has RAID 1 and I'm doing a backup of my DB.
An entire area? I appreciate that you think so highly of my house. 😂
you're welcome. i hope more join this trial by fire.
but without outbox people won't find you in that new relay you just disappear
No, because the notes self-propagate.
What outbox does is tell them where to find ALL your notes. As soon as you interact with other people, SOME of your other notes move to their relays. And then large relays they use start attaching themselves to yours, as soon as they know it exists, like nostr.band, Primal cache, Damus, etc.
What outbox does is tell them where to find ALL your notes. As soon as you interact with other people, SOME of your other notes move to their relays. And then large relays they use start attaching themselves to yours, as soon as they know it exists, like nostr.band, Primal cache, Damus, etc.
Que faire donc au niveau utilisateur !? À mon niveau j'ai des disques durs externes équivalent à la 2 T si toutefois je trouve indisponible de sauvegarder certaines choses de nostr... L'effet cercle entre utilisateurs peut être être susceptible une certaine forme de centralisation qui ne peut empêcher peut être une pure décentralisation telle souhaitée...!?