I hope this absolute clown show of a debate makes the following point clear:

There is no red.
There is no blue.
There is the State.
And there is you.

They are robbing you blind and killing innocent people around the world while you are fixated on this circus. https://i.nostr.build/6bNbHOZZtYeecmwk.jpg


Stay Humble and Stack Zaps

Stay Humble and Stack Zaps


:blobyes:


they don’t want you to know this tho


God Bless you for watching this so I don’t have to!


but but but the opportunity economy!!


I just wish I didn’t have to care who was president


Are you watching the same debate?  He’s a belligerent, lying buffoon and she’s mopping the floor with him.  He’s cratering.


There is no red. There is no blue.

There is only brrrr.

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They don’t want you to know anything except hate for your neighbor.


Agreed

Q: Which color is better? You each have 1 minute.

A:
RED: Blah blah blah
BLUE: Yada yada yada


Either one is going to print more than we can imagine

And it will be good for orange coin


Well - I live in a state ran by a Democrat governor.  She was an absolute tyrant during the covid response bullshit. Republican ran states were much, freer.
I’ll take that any day over the far left


Exactly, go ahead and pick a side of the same godamn club.  It’s an illusion of choice. It’s a show and the whole world is a stage, they are all actors.  And yes they are robbing us all blind.


Leadership matters much more at a State/County/Local level.


There are coattails.
A Trump vote buys time to hopefully move the needle in the right direction.
Judicial appointments. Supreme Court appointments.
The 2A.
Not taxing in earned income.
Not helping Liz Warren
Maybe preventing a CBDC.
The 2 sides are not then same.
I’d rather have a Rand Paul or a Thomas Massie. But here we are.
Would El Salvador be better off without a Bukele?


*unearned income


Bitcoiners FTW

Bitcoiners FTW


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


The "I'm above it because I hate both sides" argument is a bit tired. There are legitimate stakes here. Kamala Harris wants to pack the Supreme Court. This action will effectively destroy the separation of powers and turn Congress and the Court into the equivalent of the Imperial Roman Senate.

This is an actual thing that could happen. She is extremely radical and will pursue the most anti-freedom policy agenda of any candidate except maybe Bernie Sanders.

Trump can be a fool and this is still a true statement. I will happily take the narcissistic fool over the power-hungry ideologue any day of the week.


There’s no such thing as “government” anymore. We are dealing with corporations, its all about commerce. Wake up.


Both would pursue policies ruinous to the country, the question is who would ruin it faster?


Same result no matter who wins, so no you dont have to care. Im 48 this year, never cared and my life is exactly the same if I did care, except I would have wasted emotional energy doing so.


Yet a president having the power of a king isn’t concerning. Just be honest about being a Trump supporter and cut the act. People preach freedom but then always reveal their true selves when it aligns with their interests


That's still a choice. Pretending that it isn't doesn't do anyone any favors. Having more time to alter the course is not something you can just write off.

Libertarians have a value set that is extremely specific and this makes the philosophy extremely sensitive to being opposed to even the most dogmatic of policy agendas. This is how you get essentially blood feuds between libertarian factions - Rothbard's legacy vs Rand's legacy, Mises Institute vs CATO, etc - over the variants of libertarianism.

The typical approach for libertarians faced with this sensitivity is to opt-out of the broader conversation entirely as if this puts us above it. "Ah, they both suck." isn't an enlightened perspective. It's how everyone except the personality cultists already feel. It's how everyone has felt in American politics since forever. The whole country is built upon resolving the conflicts of mutuality opposing factions, by overcoming everyone's "you-all-suck" impulse.

There is almost certainly plenty for libertarians to lose with the election of the kind of progressive fascism Harris represents. Trump doesn't have to support getting rid of the income tax to offer a meaningful distinction against Harris' radicalism. I would absolutely take the ravings of a narcissist over a power-hungry ideologue.

Again, even if you think the ultimate vision of trump is something you wouldn't accept, there is room to realize that participation is still in your best interest. Bitcoin isn't going to save you when they serve search warrants on your home and seize your cold stores. When they do forensics on the blockchain to figure out which wallets are yours, which bitcoins are yours, and blacklist them.

No, there is plenty to lose if the momentum dies in the progressive direction.


Wtf are you talking about? Where did I say I was okay with the growth in state power? Oh, Kamala Harris would be really bad for the country, but let me make sure I say the required rites about how much I loathe the government too. Better make sure I signal to everyone like a damn robot about how much I don't like the size of the government. Trump would be bad too and yadda yadda and okay, now can we move on the actual conversation and stop acting like the only conversation we're allowed to have is how much it sucks to be anti-statist in a statist world?

I've been in and around libertarian organizing for much of my adult life and I swear that we're some of the worst culprits of NPC behavior. It's like, unless we recite the lines in the correct way, then we're elidong a secret desire to dominate others! We're actually secret statists because I didn't say the Constitution was actually a victory for the statists! How dare I make a point about contemporary political realities without first reciting The Ethics of Liberty verbatim!