GM Nostr! 🌞

I'd love to hear what your most painful experience using Nostr is right now. All aspects are fair game; keys, clients, relays, data usage, speed, search, etc.

Bring me your horror stories!


gm sir 🫡


For me it's only painful that Nostr doesn't have more users yet


That I did not write down my initial password. Totally my mistake. But you asked.


Data usage. That’s all :)


Good morning ☀


We can currently zap, then tap the ⚡ button again to cancel.

Would be nice if we had 10 seconds to do the same with posting a note, so we don’t need to post a new note to correct the typo.


Trying to build a following only to see like 30-35 disappear suddenly without any explanation. Happened 4 times so far.


Flat-earthers.


For me it's been lack of reliability in clients. Something is always not working, even though devs are at it 24/7 trying to make it work.  It just seems like relays introduce a level of complexity that makes everything more painful.


Initial password? Do you mean your nsec (private key)?


What client are you using?


ok switch to mean mode-
clients on iOS:
damus works, image & video exploring sucks, suhail's zap plugin not stable.
primal works, not showing indirect reply, can't select words which sucks.
nos social & nostur not works. feed only shows my events and reposted ones, relays connections good.


They’re here already?! 😂


Agree. Things feel pretty fragile much of the time. I wonder how we would go about pinpointing issues in an aggregated way. 🤔


GM nostr:npub1zuuajd7u3sx8xu92yav9jwxpr839cs0kc3q6t56vd5u9q033xmhsk6c2uc

Clearing cache in Amethyst everyday sucks.
I am on #nostr most the day tho.

https://image.nostr.build/5ea99debeb728fe0cef9316a8f877a3861f760ceadb69903beebd3c16185e8ae.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=1049x718&blurhash=rRKKB3sb%24TbXXLNWxVawrrTgoxjdr%5DaPaPnlaxWT%3FwV%3DM%7BV%40r%3Fn-RjoMWVS8V%5DNHW%2CX5k8S2oMn%2Cu5R%25bbo%23fmsoxFadkRR%3Ds%3AoNt5X5j%3Bf%23WBoc&x=6b8676c5646fd3414ad57e446813ae216b0aa13e9daf9f362aee72ae590f6741


Following more people than on Twitter, but having fewer posts to read.

Not being able to search.


Great feedback. That indirect replies thing with primal kills me too.


The biggest benefit of nostr - that you can bring your follower graph to a new app - is massively constrained because people are hesitant to put in their nsec.

On web the browser extensions like Alby help with this but it still adds so much friction to onboarding when you’re essentially asking people to signup to 2 separate services, and on mobile these extensions don’t work.

The oauth like nsecbunker signup / login flow that nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft has been working on seems like it can solve this problem - but we need more examples that work seamlessly with good ux.

“Login with Nostr” needs to be as seamless as “Login with Apple / Google” on both web and mobile.


GM🐶🐾🫂☕


Most annoying for me is when I tap to open a note and read its comments. When I tap the back button to go back to the home feed, it 'forgets' that post's location in the home feed and sends me back to the top of the page, effectively making my home feed only fit for reading the most recently posted notes.

This is something I've experienced on virtually every alternative social (both native app and PWA), regardless of client, seems to happen more often on mobile. Only real workaround I've found is to basically use Nostr in 'stalker mode', visiting each follow's profile page directly to see their notes.


That’s the goal and we already have the tech for it; it’s just a matter of it becoming more ubiquitous now


I completely agree with your take


Nostur does this


1. Not getting clear messages as to why when relays reject or filter a note.
2. Not having a single sign on solution (secure private key management that works across all clients)
3. Not easily seeing the reach and distribution of notes and user info / no good network wide search. I spent a lot of time trying to find and connect to some friends  by their NPUBs at first without knowing which relays to use.

Why not implement a relay level DHT index of note/user hashes <-> owning relay that could deliver a federated search across participating relays?  (https://libp2p.io/implementations/)


Mainly use Damus.
Sometimes Primal.

But really, all the clients have things I like and things I don’t. Wish there were a way to just get everyone working together instead of separately.

Never tried Nostur, but I will today!


Nostur is a clean client functionality wise, not a fan of the UI - def has some hidden gems I’d like to see Damus and Amethyst implement.


Gm ☕🤙

Rn - just client consistency. Some clients do weird stuff others don’t 🤷♂


dont have my twitter friends here :(


lol


I'm new here. It's not hard to understand what keys and relays are, and how to use it. For me problem is bad internet connection, and as a result broken clients. I tried most of the clients for desktop and web clients recommended on Nostr.com, and only Nostter is working for me now. clients look different. sometimes you can’t even find where your profile is and where the settings are. Some client offers to select relays, subscribe to someone, but after you choose, nothing is saved. Absolutely all of the ones I tried cannot really show who I follow and who follows me. Somewhere there is a zaps, somewhere they seem to be hidden or missing. In addition to poor loading when the Internet connection is bad, some web clients periodically crash with a 500 error or something like that. And I couldn’t set up identity verification on the free domain, which is probably more good than bad.


On Nostur now, and need to figure out zapping again. This is the annoying part of going from client to client… getting it all going again so you have the functionality we want.


Damus, but now I’m trying Nostur


I like it at first glance.


Nothing horrifying, but a few frustrations:

Some accounts that I follow suddenly disappear from my feed and it turns out I'm not following them anymore. I wish I knew how that happened or at least had a way to track it.

I often can't see replies to posts. At first I assumed that it was because of accounts that I've muted, but I've only muted 2 and this happens a lot. Then today I did a search for a post and I saw the answer show up in my search, but I can't see it in the thread.


tagging. typing a note out and trying to tag someone, then realizing you cannot, copying all of the entire note to an external app, visiting nostr.band to copy the npub, then going back to the note, pasting the npub in, and then finally completing the note in app to post it. sometimes you can get away with just copying the note text, visiting the in-app search, typing their name, visiting their profile, then going back to the note creation screen and tagging them correctly without having to visit nostr.band. tagging is still the hugest pain in the asshole 12 months later. we can't be social if we can't even mention the people we want to be social with.


for some weird reason my ios clients will erase all relays then ill have to go into a web client and add them again as they cannot be added via ios anymore.. this happens on a weekly basis


threaded conversations are almost useless... maybe it is better to have just one thread and tag people that you reply to withing the thread (the way twitter was originally designed)


The strength of nostr comes from the fact that we can all work on different clients. If we were to combine efforts we would turn into Bluesky: A smooth experience at the expense of everything that matters.


Has a lot of functionality to explore. There’s a neat feature I’ve used in the past that restores followers that may have been removed or synced incorrectly from another client - there’s a lot good ideas and functions in there.


This!


While I completely understand and support competition and all the collective efforts, there are elements of each client I love, and want to see migrate into other clients… that’s the part I long for.


Last I cared, I noticed that nostr verification did not work over tor. I've since disabled tor because I stopped caring and now I see bad verification signals on accounts that I'm pretty sure are valid so I tend not to care about it at all now.

Am I a bad person?


Not sure how to zap there yet, lots of things lacking too, which all have an onboarding process which takes patience and lots of effort from users


Definitely, that was one caveat I saw to it. I feel like clients aren’t really friendly to onboarding in general because of those friction points. There has to be an easier, secure, and functional way to onboard the average netizen.


I'm having trouble with every client on iPhone, most online clients except Coracle, I can't use Alby to login, It's very difficult to recommend to my friends (not tech savvy)


try browsing nostr when not on wifi, thats a horror story lol


Depends on your network but yea, I hear that.


discovered that some replies to my notes are missing in nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg and this resulted in the wrong person winning a contest I was doing a few days ago. I shared a screen recording of the issue yesterday.

nostr:note1pf765wwufq8hp2euvuhks6xn24trwmud3qrdzmkkcs2f2c6eztfq7vqzsh


Tell me more about this. What part of verification? NIP-05?


GM Nostr! 🌞

I'd love to hear what your most painful experience using Nostr is right now. All aspects are fair game; keys, clients, relays, data usage, speed, search, etc.

Bring me your horror stories!


I think that’s a feature, no? Would be boring if all clients worked exactly the same


I wish I could sort by oldest events first seems like it should be so easy to support at the relay level.

Also counting


industrial revolution and its consequences


Integrating wallets. Lots of them, all work differently. A client with a built-in one that actually works for small amounts is probably the way to go in terms of ease of use.


that things get started, but after a while improvement stops ... adhd like jumping from one idea to the other, but not really doing the (often boring) work, which is needed to make things fly, is spoiling the experience a bit


I agree - to clarify context, I would love to see features in Nostur implemented in Damus or Amethyst, for instance.

It would be boring if all clients worked the same, but I’d like to see one that has an amalgamation of features from others while still being unique.


👀
Which app nostr:npub14d7ezuzsy55f6c2f4k02r27yeexyj42a7uvsfu53xmpzx7z75mmsnw0xv0 ?


Which app(s), and are you on cellular or wifi 👀


Which nostr apps have you used with your private keys? In what order?


nostr:npub1r0rs5q2gk0e3dk3nlc7gnu378ec6cnlenqp8a3cjhyzu6f8k5sgs4sq9ac which app(s)? When does the fragility happen?


I want to say all. I don’t think I’ve had a smooth experience in any app.


How much does your cache grow each day before you clear? How much of the storage is freed when you clear cache?


What exactly do you want to in Damus or Amethyst?


Which client(s)?


Which apps have you used, and in what order?


The feature Nostur has to restore followers from clients that deleted followers or incorrectly synced has been a life saver - don’t know or haven’t seen anything like that on Damus or Amethyst.

Other small things, like editing a note on Nostur for a small duration of time, haven’t tested that one but saw the feature for it. Maybe that’s not possible on clients on Damus or Amethyst, and there’s things on Nostur that could use some things from Damus/Amethyst.


I have a problem with connecting to various relays depending on what isp I'm using at a given moment or which towers I'm on with cellular. I cover a broad geographical area on a normal day & connect to 3, sometimes 4 different isps. It took months of screwing around with what to shut off/turn on for where I was, to get a fairly consistent experience across locations.


This thread has turned into an absolute treasure trove of opportunities to build!

Anyone want to volunteer to bring all the thoughts together in a coherent doc?

nostr:note1993353nnqysydcx3k4nrse3xqqxnarpacduqfpcs0qjye8khhdqssmzvzv


GM Nostr! 🌞

I'd love to hear what your most painful experience using Nostr is right now. All aspects are fair game; keys, clients, relays, data usage, speed, search, etc.

Bring me your horror stories!


i might


Rather than just have a simple heart to like a note, clients should be able to use a full set of emoji reactions including +1, 100% and Bitcoin logo.


Private key? or Wallet pass?
you could find your private key on your wallet, I believe.   But writing down is hard as it is long. I needed to start using password managing app.


Good one! Hunting out and using the npub is such a drag


Amethyst has been pretty smooth imo


So many typos 😭 I’m a perfectionist when it comes to writing and now I have to live with my typos FOREVER 😭


Having to set zap amounts and like emojis again every time after I login with my nsec again, isn't there a nip to save application specific data to fix this?
nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z


Fair.

I think it’s important to keep in mind if the expectation is a twitter like experience twitter has million engineering hours head start.

And nostr has unique characteristics, that devs are figuring out as we speak. These characteristics carry performance and experience consequences.

nostr:note1vlga0muszzagcfqkr9yl8f89cgskp9v4vj4fqrv6ucvc25whqqaqyf5mze


Not sure what’s harder, that or getting the idiots to DCA… 🤦🏼♂


Damus


communities need a lot of work


I can’t in good conscience onboard normies until there’s a better answer than “and then you paste your private key into yet another app and hope it’s not leaked or stolen”. We need NIP07 for native apps and nsecbunker is cool but too complicated for most people.


Sometimes not being able to view the parent or the whole thread of a note to gain context


There is but you will have to setup the Nostr wallet connect anyway because it would not be safe to store that info on a relay.


I'd like to see more clients support third-party signers. I just about swear off of anything on Android that doesn't support Amber anymore.


You ain’t kidding on that 😹 it is the way.


copy-pasted all the notes into a doc now

might put them into a sheet with topic/description/user/noteID columns


^I second this, may be client specific though


yeah, this is a pain too. very long threads, or threading in general need some work.


If you havent used your keys with another client, the follower count issue is known.

Since your follows are stored on relays, if a relay is down or slow to respond the follower count may vary.

1.7 Damus update will allow for more accurate follow counts. 1.7 is currently in Testflight sorting out a few bugs.


My extension, nostr:npub1tnpfz60snm7ler8k8c69335n37we6690qttl88t556yzkjxhahjq3kkkpe , doesn’t even seem work on PWAs. Maybe I’m doing it wrong.


Thank you  !!!


I think it happens with a lot of clients. Coracle does a pretty good job though. Coracle does threads better than any client imo.


ios: damus, primal, plebstr…. i’ve tried to see if it’s app dependant but seems like it’s an iphone thing


There’s a known issue of using your private keys with multiple clients causing relay and/or contact list loss


how?


Gm


GM Nostr! 🌞

I'd love to hear what your most painful experience using Nostr is right now. All aspects are fair game; keys, clients, relays, data usage, speed, search, etc.

Bring me your horror stories!


People make fun of product managers, but they’re the ones that usually stop devs from doing this 😂


They’ve been here the whole time 😬


So relatable


Est ce les nombreux comptes qui répondent à tes notes qui s'avèrent être nuls !?


Amethyst draining my phone battery while running in the background. 70% of battery usage was from Amethyst even if i had not opened it the last 12 hours. Fixed by disabling background usage


stopped using Primal after the first shadow ban incident. Could be a bug, could be shadow bans, could be whatever but the trust is gone and they don't support the most common nostr events either. like naddr which is just lame.


Damus, Primal mainly. Cellular at home. Traveling, both.


Good questions, i am not 100% sure of the answers but i am 100% sure amethyst runs better for me after i clear the cache


😂 I got used to it but now, reading it, sounds fucking crazy


Damus solved this so long ago I can’t even remember this experience.


You can tag everyone? Even someone you haven't seen active in a while?


As long as I follow them it’s mad easy, type @ then I start typing their displayed name “Derek” and all the Derek’s pop up, you’ve got a purple person icon with a check mark, click you, bam tagged. Keep writing note.


You are asking for a hellthread aren’t you 😆


Check it out https://v.nostr.build/8ABX.mp4


I write this note few seconds ago 😄
https://primal.net/e/note1dhaupzwdax4awq3g2h7k6churae9vpj2cdvntlk5xukx7zg5eaasdwszw9

This is my concern.


Couldn't find nostr:npub1qqqqqqyz0la2jjl752yv8h7wgs3v098mh9nztd4nr6gynaef6uqqt0n47m in a normal reply. Had to visit search to find him. Now I can tag him properly.
https://i.nostr.build/Pdv7.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=1080x2400&blurhash=%5BVI5Y%3DobRkj%3F00WBt7WV%7EqawWDj%3F-%3BWBs%3Bay4naxofj%3FxuayWBfj%25Ma%23offRE0j%40RjoLt5a%23oea%23&x=c2e191387ba8eac12d15d59f086764feff0d5e688cac456aafdb1a06ddf6af6f
https://i.nostr.build/W6x3.jpg#m=image%2Fjpeg&dim=1080x2400&blurhash=%5BOIX%7E*San%3AWS00WAxuWB%7EpsrM_s%3B-%3AoNk7j%5D00j%3Dofj%3F%25MayRjay-%3BWCt6a%23D%25awWEj%3FxbWBt7a%23&x=ae86409d8eaf6b5c12acb3db587fff1f0bce6acd560fe823e48e9c1b825de7ca


Some people say they can’t tag me sometimes too, might be some kind of ghost in the code? Other people say they find me easy…


Android needs their own version of Nostore already.


Cypherpunks build—get to it!


GM Nostr! 🌞

I'd love to hear what your most painful experience using Nostr is right now. All aspects are fair game; keys, clients, relays, data usage, speed, search, etc.

Bring me your horror stories!


entirely different things; the web doesn't have kinds


How do you feel about custodial nsecbunker?


In service to making Nostr better? Absolutely!


Yup. 🤷♂


Legend.


Not a fan of custodial tools, personally, but I see where they have their place among less technical users. Could also get down with a custodial nsecbunker in an Uncle Jim setup.


Haha definatley done this


The fact that I cannot just search in my friends list with say just the first letter of their name. Sometimes people here have unique names and spelling and it takes me forever to find someone in my friends list!


Maybe create some bounties at resolvr.io


All of a sudden my follow list disappeared!!!! I was using astral_ninja. I still like that Client having to build a follow list again was a bit of a pain!


Cant stop getting some users that post nudity in my feed, even though they are on my mute list.
Also just seeing double posts in my feed


Check out https://listr.lol or https://kind3.xyz/

You can back your follow list up with those tools.


Having to download a browser extension to protect my keys


Not a horror story, but would love some way to have multiple private keys. One which is used for everyday posting, stored in an insecure location (browser or app), and one which is stored in a more secure location and can issue new keys or revocation certs for existing keys.


Yeah it looks for profiles in nostrdb, so it always has everything your client has ever seen


Good morning Jeff 🌅


Bahah oops my damus is behind 4 days all of a sudden 😅 glitch