nostr:npub1su4t3c2h2fl2ws6hfcnn5r7jdn87qvhvaafe5uv3hcwygxz3rjssf6a0dw The problem is that it's basically not a scientific discussion to begin with.  It should have been from the start, but at some point it became what effectively amounts to a religion.  That means no matter how much evidence you show one way or the other, people are going to believe whatever they want to believe.