bittorrent is really the only reasonable way to fight video censorship. nostr definitely does not fix this, but it would be a great torrent indexer. https://i.nostr.build/4oxJm.jpg


If peertube could be run on relays, problem solved


A relay to client connection that is literally un-censorable across nation state firewalls would be epic. Make it so that the only way a state could block content is by turning off all computers in the country.


Let's make eMule great again 😅💜

#eMulestr #memories


Russians beeing led once again into the abyss by jews
nostr:nevent1qqsrag80v6t54uqpmca9ecxzddex9wx98gfnyz6n90zd4dzzvmyu8vgppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsr9cvzwc652r4m83d86ykplrnm9dg5gwdvzzn8ameanlvut35wy3grqsqqqqqpk6xygt


There already is one. I think. Can't find the app...


Maybe “freedom tech” like X can fix this lol. 😏


It will soon! ⚡😎
dtan.xyz
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/94.md


Also rumble is KYC'd just to comment or like


It all depends on dht's.


Do it..💜😊


they take fake credentials. just use a burner email


Look at "RetroShare" too. You can use #Nostr to post your RetroShare account address for followers..💜😊


What is that about, never heard. Is it a client?


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


In every possible way this can be this, THIS.


This isn’t a new topic right? I remember these discussions and NIPS almost a year ago.


:elmofire:


#Nospar 🤙🏽


dtan.xyz


Jb55, can you create a way to incentivize BitTorrent video seeders , like zaps of some forms? So they can keep videos available for a long time. Or a mechanism to broadcast and get paid by the zappers. I don’t know, is it technically possible.


Interesting idea 🤔


Timechain

Timechain


Here : nostr  ( even X) lacks video censorship resistant ability ( because of gov demands) , this might be a incentivized way to do it

https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr/issues/174


I think, video is critical for a platform, with nostr being a protocol, without video censorship resistant, it is only text censorship resistant, plus No nostr clients can host terabytes of videos like X, Facebook, YouTube, nostr clients and users must have a way to make money and being truly censorship resistant. The world will not change with text only news. Nostr is nothing with just text and nostr clients relying videos hosted on YouTube or X. Videos convey emotion and trust that no poetic text can


nostr could make bittorrent great again


bittorrent is really the only reasonable way to fight video censorship. nostr definitely does not fix this, but it would be a great torrent indexer. https://i.nostr.build/4oxJm.jpg


I was talking to bram cohen about bittorrent live, it was supposed to make video live streaming even better, but it got taken over by corporate interests and shareholders and all that fun stuff. Still lots of optimizations we could do at the protocol level to improve decentralized video.


Could probably do it in #RetroShare.


I’m trying not to completely geek out.

*calmly* hm. yeah. that sounds like an interesting idea.


Yay! 👏 i image notes with embed video ( live leeched stream from seeds), and payment options: preview ( free? ), continue to watch ( pay by zap some amount), a mechanism to distribute zaps from seeds, just some ideas. I am a amateur IT guy, this is beyond me to implement.


https://retroshare.cc/ check it out. It's too big for me to explain..💜😊


there is a torrents NIP proposal and dtan.xyz

what do you think if those?


RetroShare is an open-source, decentralized communication platform that offers secure messaging, file sharing, and forums through encrypted friend-to-friend connections.

I'll probably never use it. I already have SimpleX for messaging, Wormhole/torrents/Nextcloud for filesharing and Nostr for forums.


No , X cannot, X pulled videos down many times because of demands of many govts


It was a joke.


No, this is about video streaming directly pulled from seeders and displayed on note


No, this is different. This is about decentrailzed streaming of videos pulled from seeders amd displayed on a note for users to view


Thank you for asking this! BitTorrent is amazing, but I never understood the incentive to seed files


Ipfs is another alternative similar to bittorrent.


ipfs is pretty bad though


In what way? The efficiency of the DHT and gosssip protocols need a little improvement but the standards for making interoperable hashed content seem to be a good foundation to build from


Files or video files must be stored on computers, it costs a lot for storage. Nostr clients cannot store millions of videos files because they don’t have tens of billions of dollars like X , YouTube or Facebook. So, hundreds of nostr users ( hopefully) each can store several videos on their computer at home or phones can choose to seed and get paid (zaps ) by viewers ( nostr users watch videos - leeches), this incentivize them to keep videos online for a long time. BitTorrent live might be needed here. This is decentralized video hosting, storing and broadcasting, therefore resists censorship. Nostr community now can be independent from X, YouTube, etc.


I like the sound of that!


I see but we'll still have an issue with client IP address leaks (our IP address). That would required a vpn to use Nostr clients and tor will suffer with vidéo streaming 😅


Why not build a behind the scenes BitTorrent client into #damus for streaming videos that have been indexed in #nostr?


BitTorrent is not optimized for video streaming. The best tech for video streaming is Adaptive Bitrate Streaming. Not everyone has the same bandwidth so it doesn’t make sense to have a single bitrate for all connections.

I was actually brainstorming a protocol yesterday that was something like HLS + bittorrent, but it’s a hard problem.


What if nostr clients implemented something like popcorn time? Then media could all be uploaded as torrents and clients could just stream them in real time.


Keet.io


Nostr would nicely fit with other *arr tools, and could become Nostarr :)

https://github.com/Ravencentric/awesome-arr


bittorrent is really the only reasonable way to fight video censorship. nostr definitely does not fix this, but it would be a great torrent indexer. https://i.nostr.build/4oxJm.jpg


There's also IPFS


I think we all know Google is part of the  Marxist Deep State. It makes sense they wouldn't want Rumble available.


The problem with that is, sure I will store and seed all seasons of Game of Thrones in 4K HDR forever, but I won't store and seed the 2h episodes of your podcast/show that - bc it is reacting to current events - is only relevant for a week...


Does WebRTC + BitTorrent work?


Onward 🫡

Onward 🫡


PeerTube uses it already for their self-hosted YouTube product


yeah webtorrent


But the issue here is incentive for seeding, no one will seed without getting paid, electricity costs money. Don’t know if nostr can , somehow, combines this with zaps


No one will seed without getting paid?

Torrent Piracy thrives on the Internet now without anyone getting paid.


maybe for pirate stuff, but not non-popular stuff like random peoples files


don’t fix problems that don’t exist.
people seed what is popular,
and niche interests seed niche interests.
It balances. And has worked for many years.


But for how long? For example, How long will 100 people seed your large video files  for , say, 5 months if you asked them for help? Would YouTube grow to be a giant as it is now if uploaders were not paid by YouTube ( by displaying ads). The world exists based on work. Everything costs money. You pay people for their work . if nostr wants to exist long term, incentive is the way


Lol, that is a conservative take.

Piracy is booming. People buy seedboxes overseas and share for long periods of time. Dirt cheap.


The world does not exist if everything is free. Nobody works for free, that’s a reality. Will you work for free?


I offer a lot of things for free without asking for money. Read my bio for an idea related to nostr.

People can do things without getting compensated you know.

Look at the open source ecosystem

Lots of free and open things available without shekels


yep


My favourite topic 😍

Nostr+Torrent+Zaps

Maybe the torrent protocol part of it should get modified to fit the streaming needs and zap integration.

Nostr should index it all and provide discovery and the social aspect.

I'm sure there will be some centralization, where some entities will just store and seed everything. If there is a zap value per MB streamed why wouldn't someone do it? But the little guys would do their part too, especially with the controversial stuff that really needs decentralization.

Not everything would need to be paid by the viewer too. There could be sponsored "preZapped" views... "for my followers i'm sponsoring 1000 views of this video, 2 views per npub". It could be sponsored by the seeder or by a 3rd party.

Adds could pay you to view them. "Oh... I need to charge my zapper, lets watch some adds".

I'm sure there is a way how to use nsec/npub to sign the video/torrent and automatically verify in the nostr client. That would be helpfull for recognizing fakes.

I have no idea if people that built LBRY used their knowledge somewhere, but I'm sure they would have some experience to pass on.

Don't want to point at Jack here, but it seems like a thing he could help move forward (as he does with many many things).


Of course the major hurdles are the network effect and competing with "free".


https://trend.app is a tiktok alternative and has a bunch of #crypto features and its own ETH token.  $TRND


gross


Whats gross about it?


Why not IPFS?