Oddbean new post about login | logout Yes I know the difference. The state can force you to show your Nostr posts. They can do this literally with everything, including Bitcoin as well. In fact, most health checks were made with the regular CDC card, which is not signed. Adding things to Nostr doesn't change any of that. Tech is tech. The state can always fuck any stack. Also, the state already has access to your health data on today's system centralized systems. Adding Nostr, removes some of their existing knowledge of you because you can store it in your own relay, away from governments and b8g corporations.
Rubbish. Absolute garbage. The State can’t force anyone to divulge a private key. They can imprison someone if they don’t, they could possibly torture them, but they CANNOT hack or break the encryption of a properly stored key. That means it is down to the User to decide and you conflating a User’s decision with a State’s ability to break encryption is exactly what was wrong with your understanding on vax certs in the first fucking place. Have you learned nothing in the past 4 years? Individuals have agency. You for some bizarre reason want to circumvent their agency for reasons unknown.
You are mixing things .. I am not talking about the key. It's about your posts. The things you sign. Also Health data is encrypted. Also, you can just put your health data into a Nym account. It's up to you.
What you don't understand is that if people allow, government can always put you in jail for anything they want. During COVID, people allows governments to check if you have taken the vaccine or not. They dont need a signed QR for that. The CDC card was used more than any QR code was. It's about how gov uses the tech, not the tech itself.
What you don’t understand Vitor, is that every individual has agency - ie. a choice. They can choose to go to jail, or they can choose a myriad other options. They can choose to start firebombing politicians homes, they can choose to start a militia and go abduct bureaucrats, they can choose to storm parliament and hang everyone. You know - CHOICES. You’re working on the side of disallowing choices. You’re seeking to help those with the monopoly on violence for god knows what reason. >”During COVID, people allows governments to check if you have taken the vaccine or not.” A) No they didn’t. B) Your defense is basically “I was just following orders” except you fucking volunteered and C) This is the epitome of you denying people agency. It’s difficult to fathom how fucked up your view of the world is based on this.
Why would opening the option to put your relay data on Nostr, on any relay you choose, reduce your options? I don't think you understand what we are building. No one is requiring you to use Nostr, or any particular client or relay. We are pushing the amount of options to the limit.
Go back to the start, re-read the whole thing. I was giving you the benefit of doubt with my initial framing. Rather than come out and accuse you of things, I put in such a way to give you an out since many people have realised the error of their ways after Covid and siding with the totalitarians. You clearly haven’t. You had and still have this fucked up view that the State is all powerful and the people, individuals, don’t have any say in the matter. Let me tell you Vitor - the State is also made up of people. Those people are made of flesh and bone no different to you or I. When you cut them, they bleed. When you lop their heads off, they don’t magically grow back. Your track record working with health data in conjunction with the State is shit. Based on everything you’ve posted in this thread I wouldn’t touch anything you’re working on with a 40 foot pole because you clearly don’t understand the real world implications and have a child-like view of things which if the rest of us adopted would mean total enslavement of humanity.
> You had and still have this fucked up view that the State is all powerful and the people, individuals, don’t have any say in the matter. What did I say that makes you think that? I said in this post that it's all about what people let their governments do. I don't know how do you even go from there to your conclusion about me. In the end, you can use Nostr and opt out of the health care system as it is today and keep your info with the government or not. It's up to you.
>”What did I say that makes you think that?” This: >”The state can force you to show your Nostr posts. They can do this literally with everything, including Bitcoin as well.” The State can’t burrow inside my brain and extract a key. I can divulge it, they can’t extract it nor hack it. If you don’t understand the difference then what the fuck are you doing here chatting with me - go read some books. And this: >”Also, the state already has access to your health data on today's system centralized systems.” SOME parts of SOME States have access to SOME of your health data. This is once again your naive mind extrapolating what you know to 8 Billion people in more than 200 States. Do you think your State has access to my medical records? The entire picture of my health from birth til today? Considering I’ve had surgery in 4 different countries, how do you think that looks like? Or do you acknowledge that different jurisdictions have different rules for handling data including ages, retention periods, sensitive info, sharing etc? Again extremely naive views on extremely important topics - you cannot be trusted on this AT ALL.
I have 15 years in multiple levels of health care. Believe me when I say that if the government wants your data they WILL have it. They have all the power over the rest of the players inside health care, both officially and unoficially. Picture what happened on the censorship level with Twitter and Facebook over the past decade and apply the same methods to ALL health care companies, constantely, over the past 30-40 years. If you trully think government doesn't have the power, you are the one being naive about this. But yes, obviously all juridictions are different and get your data in different ways. I know particularly well the US, canadian, european, indian, chinese and brazilian system. Other than that, all dictators out there have full access to your data. Indian, Chinese and brazilian systems do have your complete health record with the government. Europeans and Canadians also have large chuncks of their health information with the government. US is per state. Some states have a lot, some states have little info. But all states have SOME info. The Federal information usually comes from the insurance companies when you use them. Anyway, if you trully think the status quo is good and you want to support the government surveillence that exists TODAY you can keep using it. All we are doing is to create a balance of power, where patients can decide where to store their data, which clients they cant to use to access and manage that data, and which keys they want to encrypt that data with.
Dude I can't even understand the basic point this mfer is trying to make with all the rambling wall of text. Am I wrong if I say the point is to encrypt (with YOUR key) and store health data on an identity and relay/s YOU control? If I'm not wrong in my understanding, then this is light years better than downloading an app from a hostile app store to see YOUR prescriptions and test results from some centralized shithole.