Use nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828 messenger! It gives you the best #privacy protection.

Unlike #Signal it doesn’t need your phone number.

#Telegram and #WhatsApp not only want your phone number they collect loads of data and metadata from your device. Especially vile is the collection of your device‘s IMEI (device ID) and sharing all that data with companies to make money and with authorities due to the need to comply.

In authoritarian countries this  metadata can cost you your life! https://image.nostr.build/02ffc444d66398e8906d442253c4993cd721e9a331f88819d0a4966ef1da2e3f.jpg


What about #Session?


what about others apps?

what about others apps?


Did Signal remove the phone number requirement only for new accounts? I signed up for it a long time ago so it’s probably too late for me unless I start a new one. I do like SimpleX, even though it’s hard to find people outside of Nostr who have heard of it.


Please also take a look at nostr:nprofile1qqsth7fr42fyvpjl3rzqclvm7cwves8l8l8lqedgevhlfnamvgyg78spz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3qamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwa5kuegpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqj9swg4. It uses Signal's end-to-end encryption and runs with the Nostr protocol. You can use multiple keys for different chats.


Haven‘t used it.


Session was previously based on Signal Protocol before replacing it with their own in December 2020. Session Protocol does not support forward secrecy and backward secrecy.


Doesn't seem so. First thing it asks is phone number. I assume they only added the option to share usernames instead of phone numbers. https://image.nostr.build/25cf5fd066f5d04fdfe63839ab78609de1af323623fd27a15e324e4395bfeb4f.jpg


:blobyes:


Good advice
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Added to public bookmarks thanks ⚡💜


Wenn’s denn mal richtig laufen würde 😀


The best option so far imho for this context is keet.io

Pure p2p, e2ee, amazing performance as it runs without central server infrastructure


That’s too bad. Having a phone number should not be a requirement to sign up for anything anymore.


Thanks.

Have you tried #Session?


keet.io will become really great. But for now it’s to new and has still to much bugs and missing features. I also think it never will reach the privacy level of simplex.


I use it’s better than simplex because you can rotate your keys if you ever lose them


Interesting.


people die because of metadata (leaks)

people die because of metadata (leaks)


Servus Anita! A disclosed IP address with SimpleX could also cost you your life. If you really want to protect you and your contacts then I recommend https://reticulum.network/

#Reticulum #RNS #LXMF #TOR #I2P #IP #decentralization #decentralisation #mesh #sovereign #communication #independent #interconnectable #autonomous #network #unstoppable #autonomy #sovereignty #telecommunication #Sideband #NomadNet #RNode #MeshChat #Meshnet #Meshtastic #LoRa #OffGridComms #notfallkommunikation #meshnetwork #freifunk #freedomtech #FunkFeuer #Openwireless #Fon


Gonna give this one a try


True. To get a signal account you have to provide a phone number. You never have to share that number with contacts and signal seems to be pretty loose with accepting VOIP numbers. Regardless you shouldn't have to jump through hoops for privacy.

#Signal is best for friends and family. #SimpleX for sensitive coms. You just have to work around the having to have contact with the person first in order to give them your QR


I rather would, however most people keep on using this crap. Hard to get rid of...


I thought Whattsapp was encrypted?


Session gives you a better censorship resistant messenger. Briar is also super underrated. SimpleX for groups is a pain in the ass.


Keet.io is not open source, who knows whats going on with that thing.


It is, but if an authority demands access to your data they’ll get it. And your metadata gives away a lot of information. When did you talk with whom, where etc.


…and use a VPN.


Encrypted after side client scanning so encryption matter a lot in this case


Use nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828 messenger! It gives you the best #privacy protection.

Unlike #Signal it doesn’t need your phone number.

#Telegram and #WhatsApp not only want your phone number they collect loads of data and metadata from your device. Especially vile is the collection of your device‘s IMEI (device ID) and sharing all that data with companies to make money and with authorities due to the need to comply.

In authoritarian countries this  metadata can cost you your life! https://image.nostr.build/02ffc444d66398e8906d442253c4993cd721e9a331f88819d0a4966ef1da2e3f.jpg


Wie siehts mit Threema aus?


There are no "free messenger" in this world. They all need money to run.

And there is only one messenger, that costs money and it´s also the most secure one! Only Threema does NOT store any metadata nor IP-Adresses plus you can use it 100% anonymous!

Check it for yourself:

Visit

https://www.securemessagingapps.com

Rate:
🟩=3 🟨=1 🟥=0

Results (and where the money comes from)

1. Threema = 86 = most secure Messenger (User pays one-time BTC)

2. Signal (OTF / Brian Acton / Ex-WhatsApp) = 80
3. Session (Loki Coin & suspicious Chinese) = 77
4. Wire (Janus Fries / Ex-Skype) = 68
5. SimpleX Chat *= 67
6. Wickr (Amazon) = 61
7. Element / Matrix (Amdocs / Morris Kahn) = 56
8. Apple iMessage (Hardware sales) = 37
9. WhatsApp (Meta) = 32
10. Google Messages (Ads) = 28
11. Telegram (Putin) = 27
12. Facebook Messenger (Meta) = 26
13. Microsoft Skype =10

* SimpleX Chat got 380.000 $ from VillageGlobal.vc = Jez Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, ect. Plus Jack Dorsey and other Venture Capital Companys!

OFT = OpenTechnologyFund = US-Goverment

Just zap me ⚡7999 sats ⚡

for a licence of the secure Messenger #Threema

Threema is the messenger with rigorous data protection and rock-solid security. The chat app was developed with “Privacy by Design” as the guiding principle.

Chat Anonymously: No Phone Number Required

No Collection of User Data & No Ads

Guaranteed Privacy: Strong Encryption

Allways End-to-End Encrypted: Voice, Video, and Group Calls

Open Source with Regular Security Audits

Most selling Secure Messenger App!

⚡ Price: just 7999 sats ⚡ + no data from you will go to Threema

Regular Price 6.99 $ in the Appstores

You can download the App on their Website or use it with the google-free Version called #ThreemaLibre from F-Droid - the license is only for Android Smartphones

Questions? Just ask me.... Janneke

For more Information visit their Website:

https://threema.ch/en/home


I have been using Threema around 2017 but no one else did. So I stopped. I think it’s a great tool.


One important thing though: many many people globally can’t afford to spend 6 USD on a secure messenger. They take what is the cheapest or free.


"We kill people based on Metadata" -NSA


But then we have to trust the VPN providers again. But you know, we Bitcoiners prefer trustless solutions. And I think the #Reticulum network is the Bitcoin of communication networks.

The developer of the COLDCARD Bitcoin Hardware Wallet and Nostr Signing Device has also spoken enthusiastically about the Reticulum network:

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Or nostr:nprofile1qqsd4dkxqewy8xum47ctpu0ltgxxsfemeewpjkdyzk9ddfcg286s0dsppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnzd96xxmmfdejhytnnda3kjctv9uq36amnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wvduhq6r9wfc82mnt9e6x7erp0yhs4deh46 sends Cashu Ecash over Reticulum:

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Threema
central, non free,	costs

positive: open source app with documentation
positive: functioning and transparent business model
positive: no cryptocurrency or online payment systems planned!
positive: multi-device capable
positive: independent of phone number as identifier
positive: customized version “Threema Libre“ for Android does not require proprietary software library from Google or other third parties
unclear: tracker in Android app “Threma” (as payment versions cannot be checked by Exodus). But no trackers detectable in Android app “Threma work” (36 permissions): Exodus (external)
positive: according to webbkoll (external) no third-party cookies and no third-party requests (third-party)
negative: central service (= dependency)
negative: no interoperability resp. no interface to chat standard XMPP
negative: server code is not open source
negative: no native desktop app

https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/warumnicht/#threema


1.
SimpleX Chat has even fewer users

2.
Anyone who makes the protection of their privacy dependent on whether others do the same has unfortunately not understood privacy and data protection.

3.
30-40% of all Threema users use the app completely anonymously = without personal data, such as mobile number!

You won't find them using the automatic search function!

The solution is very simple:

Send everyone your Threema ID and then even the “invisible ones” will contact you !


Whoever pays the musicians also determines what is played.

Threema takes a few coins once and is therefore ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY committed to its users.

You can see who is behind the other messengers above. And they will already collect your data.

Threema collects nothing!


Threema already has to co-operate with the authorities, but at the latest when the EU chat control comes, nobody will believe these marketing promises anymore.


Everybody can read about that in their transparency report on their website

https://threema.ch/en/transparencyreport

And they give out 2 Informations about a Threema-ID:

1. Date (without time) of the Threema ID’s creation
 2. Date (without time) of Threema ID’s most recent login

These are the ONLY 2 Information they store!

The following information is only available if the user has chosen to use the respective optional functionality:

Only in case the user in question has chosen to link a phone number and/or email address with their Threema ID: Hash of the user’s phone number and/or email address

Only in case the user in question has chosen to use a third-party push service (and their ID was active within the last three months): Push token

So what....