Yes, I have this discussion a lot - and I'm in a very small minority who believe its bottom up.  

To me they're kind of unfalsifiable hypotheses - but as with "science" I'd much rather carry around my unfalsifiable hypothesis than yours on this one!

Also I feel many people "on our side" give "them" too much credit and respect - almost deifying them as all-powerful beings who are 10 steps ahead of anything.  What's the point in resisting if that's the case?  It feels almost like fetish with some people.

And I think its not the case - they are just humans like us and most of them actually believe their own bullshit.  For me there's no way eg bill gates is unjabbed.  Even pfizer people who covered up the side-effects will be jabbed.