2. Unsolicited commercial advertising over lightning

It seems inevitable that lightning addresses will be scraped and compiled and used to send unsolicited messages (with a payment attached).

What are your thoughts about this? How should it be managed? What are the benefits/downsides?


Hey WoS, I’m fine with ads if I get free bitcoin 😂


I want to say yes. But does that mean i will be profiled in order to be targeted?

Being bombarded with 1sat advertisements doesnt sound good.


Free sats, never even need to look at the included memo.


We get paid. We ignore the ads. Sounds like a win.


The benefits is it makes it costly to spam, a lot of people have proposed lightning payments as a spam filter for things like email, it rewards the end user for viewing advertising directly. The downsides, maybe there is some technical problem with consuming network bandwidth, but that just provides node operators with routing fees. Maybe it pushes up fees on the network, or reorganizes fees to account for the amount of data sent?


I would want to delete the messages (with block list?) and keep the sats


No complaints about free sats, except that I would like to be able to set a minimum threshold amount that someone can send me unsolicited, and a separate threshold for them being able to include a message.


If this means unsolicited commercial payments over lightning with advertising please use me for testing 🙏 I have no problem, I think notes can include a link and I can decide whether click on it or not.


Alby doesn’t notify you under a certain amount. You can and should be able to set a threshold.


User configurable minimum. Let them send ads if they're willing to pay what people require.


If the ads sender pay for it (or should I say reward the views), it’s better than spam because they actually consider your time to be worth paying for it.
Slice does web browsing rewards already.


I agree to this. The notification reminder (just like how mute function for nostr) would be the best.

The more you try to centrally censor them, the more they misbehave. But client side mutes are the best. Hahah. I love the free sats tho.


Inb4. I really love how exodus intergrates your wallet into theirs and "tie" it to the private key / bitcoin address. Probably you could add a non-custodial bitcoin & l-btc wallet using mnemonic phrase and tie it your custodian lightning wallet in the same manner as well.


ads yeah if i can set a minimum ad fee 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻


Is that why I’ve been getting free sats. 5 times now x by 1 sat. Keep them coming lol


Paywall to sort out bots. Potential single use invoice is a way around to mitigate, But paywall services also guarantee income for Wallet of Satoshi. At the same time it is pretty shitcoiny to let bots pay wallet of satoshi for advertising. That’s why I am here, To not have my data tracked and things advertised to me, But Shitcoiners eek their way in any possible way. Also scam bots creeping on new coiners. Scraping for bot scams sees like a pretty Russian scam hacker thing to do.


sent a minimum sats requirement


Let us specify a min amount for lightning address receives and/or let us specify min amount for notifications


No me molesta que me paguen por recibir mensajes de SPAM XD

Si, ya los he recibido y no me molestan la verdad :v


Send me the SATs…I’ll happily ignore the ads for SATs


Hmm, maybe you could let users set a limit for the minimum amount of sats they want to receive at a time.

Then merge all incoming zaps (below dust limit) into one zap until you reach the sats minimum.

Then send the zap with "merged zap" as text message.


ALL
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I don’t see a problem. Value for value- at least I get something out of it.


1satでメッセージ送られるみたいなの、広告が直接やり取りされるって意味ではいいのかも
Nostrの投稿とかからある程度ターゲティングもできそうｗ
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2. Unsolicited commercial advertising over lightning

It seems inevitable that lightning addresses will be scraped and compiled and used to send unsolicited messages (with a payment attached).

What are your thoughts about this? How should it be managed? What are the benefits/downsides?


Give me option to not see the messages and we are all good 👍


Por el momento no he recibido SPAM. Pero si me harán SPAM como la gente de Lavandos que me enviaron 18 USD solo por 1 mensaje SPAM ¡Bienvenidos!


Allow the user to set a minimum payout. Second create a system that scrapes these advertisers. You know who they are sending the 1 sat payments & spamming advertisements on a massive scale inevitably. Create a fee for advertisers that goes directly to the sender in addition to their 1sat.

I was wondering why I kept seeing more news & ads on here. Even if you block them they have multiple bots generating new keys spamming up relays & other places. You can't stop them unless you pose a high fee for advertising.

I understand it's a business & this may be an incentive for WoS to do nothing because they collect on all the fees. But don't we want to get away from advertisers & it's spam of centralized news it just seems to be another method to centralize the decentralized? At least create us the opportunity to not be taken advantage of so individuals will feel a mutual benefit.

A high fee for advertisers of course are gonna boo me for saying this & say nay for this but understand why. 1 This will make the advertisers fluctuate not to bombard crap everywhere draining the poor batteries of all the mobile users of nostr so more selective pickings of ads. 2 Since it's easier to figure out who the advertisers are rather then block them out this will balance out the mutual benefit of both parties; the advertisers still get to spam but the payouts they make will be bigger to the viewers.

As of current this is cheaper then centralized advertising on facebook or any other site where you can pay to advertise. As #nostr is growing I imagine every advertising fanatic, company, & ad bot makers are drooling looking at nostr because of how dirt cheap it is to pay to advertise & the mass they can reach out to for almost nothing. This is like the historical great gold rush for advertisers because not only do they have a bigger outreach but now they can raise their prices more because they know they can reach more people here then anywhere else.

I & many others use adblocks to avoid all of this but on nostr we must make effort because these are not built in ads. It's up to Wallet of Satoshi to help in the balance in order to make everyone happy. It's important to always remember bitcoins etherium all these cryptocurrencies are to get away from centralization & online advertising is just that.

If i'm gonna be bombarded with ads from thousands of generated npubs & can't stop it at least let me get more then 1sat every 14 hours per 5k ads.


Survey with free bitcoin is welcomed. Phishing scams are not


Being paid for your attention is likely a better experience than simply interrupting a service to highjack your attention.


It's going to be tricky, if you set a minimum amount to receive will that lead to a need for a whitelist so people can contact you free?


A setting for minimal amount to trigger notifications. I don't need my phone to light up and go "ding" just because someone gave me 1 sat, or even 10 sats. Maybe 100 sats.


We shouldn't stand in the way of commercial applications; particularly if it is optional to see the advert.

"Receive 100 sats to see this ad" is an ok message I think particularly if you have time to kill, you ought to get paid for your time.


Or read it for sats


Naa, I try to never read ads as a matter of principle. I hate being shoved things in my face that I didn’t ask for 😂


The only problem with this, that I see at the moment, is that I would possibly get endless notifications from the wallet.

So a customizable filter or threshold for notifications would be nice.


Send me all the notifications if watching them will be paid with sats. 🤙😂 Maybe a filter option to set a minimum sat amount. Just to make them bidding for the notifications... 😁


Perhaps the ability to set our own sats price for unsolicited messages (i.e. from anyone not on my approved or following list) would be a start!


How about minimum threshold 21 sats for payment?
Or even better: payments below threshold will arrive, but message will be automatically removed.


Every sats counts.  Send me sats all say - I will never get tired of receiving them - with or without messages.
If it has sats attached - it is not spam (for me). 👍


Anyone who does not want to receive sats below a threshold....please forward/send them to me...I will take care of the sats gladly!

To be clear --- all every sat with or without message is welcome!
⚡💜👍


If a threshold could be set, then anyone can decide the amount of notifications he is comfortable receiving.  That could work,


Under a threshold the user can set, hide the message and don't give it a notification. Set a sane value by default and offer the option of revealing the message by tapping on it in transactions list.

Plus/or a Nostr integration where you can allow displaying messages for low sats values only for npubs the user follows.

Rejecting low number sats sounds regarded imo, if implemented should be opt in, not opt out.


yes, "ignore the message unless it's above a threshold" is the solution


Yes, this was what I was thinking as well. And if spammers keep upping the sats, just raise the threshold and enjoy more sats.

Is this what passive income is?