Just watches the episode. I'm not sure what Michael doesn't understand about Saifdean's point. As far as I’m concerned, I think they're on the same page. Saifdean is just saying it's realistic that nominal interest rates will go to 0%, but that doesn't mean the real interest rate will be zero. Because Btc is deflationary, the real interest rate under 0% nominal rate will be whatever the deflation is. So let's say it's 3%, that means the borrower will earn 3% a year by borrowing their money for 0% nominal interest rate. 

Can someone help me understand why Michael gets so irritated about this point?